Gut Rumbles

December 23, 2005

it's this easy

I believe that I've mentioned before that I have a Restraining Order for domestic violence outstanding against me, which is why I cannot legally purchase or possess a firearm. (Thanks to Bill Clinton's 1994 Crime Bill.) I've never actually DONE anything domestically violent, but that fact doesn't matter. My bloodless cunt of an ex-wife simply filed paperwork saying that she felt "threatened" and that feeling was all it took to brand me as a potential criminal and put one hell of a restraint on my rights.

It can happen to anybody. Judges routinely issue such restraining orders, no matter how ridiculous the request may be.

In the application for the restraining order, which was filed Thursday, Nestler alleges that between May 1994 and now, Letterman forced her to go bankrupt and caused her “mental cruelty” and “sleep deprivation.”

Nestler — who lived in Nevada, New Jersey, New York City, Maine and Santa Fe during that period — requested that Letterman, who tapes his show in New York, stay at least 3 yards from her and that he not “think of me, and release me from his mental harassment and hammering,” according to the application.

A judge thought a restraining order was perfectly reasonable in this case. Ain't the law a beautiful thing? David Letterman and I are BOTH true menaces to society now.

At least I'm in good criminal company.


If this part of the '94 Cwime Bill were given true legal scrutiny, I doubt the provision would hold up. Of course, true legal scrutiny is impossible nowadays. Today's courts have little to do with what actually happened in any given situation, even less to do with Right & Wrong, and nothing at all to do with Justice.

Posted by: Richthofen on December 23, 2005 09:56 PM

Fortunately I didn't have kids with her, but my ex decided to improve her image after I caught her with another man. Everything was fine during the first stage of the Divorce process, but when she figured out how bad she was looking she decided to go get heself a restraining order saying that she also felt "threatened," even though she had already moved out and rented a house.

She took amicable phone calls from me to discuss divorce issues and help expedite things instead of waiting for the lawyers, then just before the divorce was final she filed a complaint saying that I had violated the protective order by phoning.

When I attended the hearing the Magistrate had me jailed untill I could make bail.

I was looking at manditory "anger management" counseling and an expensive jury trial to fight her claims, but instead I plead no contest and even that cost me two grand.

What really pissed me off was that for the next five years I had to answer "yes" on forms asking about my criminal past.

I turns out hat she had made of career of filing for protective orders--having filed them on her first ex-husband and two boyfiends before me. They were probably innocent too.

I appreciate the legal need to protect women and kids from domestic violence, but the process has become so skewed and bastardized in favor of women that a man is presumed guilty with virtually no evidence.

The burden of proof always falls on the one that wears the balls in the case.

Posted by: Virgl on December 23, 2005 11:33 PM

My brother's ex-girlfriend put a restraining order on him, asked him out to lunch as soon as the hearing was over, almost immediately began dating him again, and now they are married with two kids.

Posted by: Gahrie on December 24, 2005 12:01 AM

How long does an order last? Anyone know?

Posted by: robert on December 24, 2005 01:52 AM

Virgl, you should have had the bitch killed? Cat

Posted by: catfish on December 24, 2005 01:53 AM

As far as Letterman and that nutcase.... It's my understanding that, in order to get a Restraining Order against someone, you have to have been married/living together, or be related, or have kids together.

You aren't supposed to be able to just go get them against random people for spurious reasons.

So, basically, that Judge needs to review some of the DV/Restraining Order laws, it seems. At the very least, that woman should have been ordered to undergo psychiatric testing and get treatment for whatever in the hell is wrong with her brain. The Judge in the case too, for that matter...

Also... if some stupid bitch gets an R.O. against a guy (or vice versa) and then SHE calls HIM, or invites him over or initiates contact in any way, SHE is then just as much in violation of that court order as he would be for ignoring it and is subject to the same penalties as the guy would be.

BOTH PARTIES have to follow what it says.
That's because lotsa cunts would go get an R.O., then LIE to the guy, intice him to their residence, then turn him in for contempt of court.

So, if some stupid cunt gets an R.O. against you, then turns all lovey-dovey, don't fall for it.
In fact, turn HER in for violation of the order.

And, as far as how long they're good for...
TRO's (temporary restraining orders) are only good til the scheduled court date. Then, after the "hearing", they're either dropped because the lying bitch decided not to show up and it gets dropped, or it's turned from a "TRO" to a "plain" RO and then, far as I know, it's forever....

Not many people who it is REALLY necessary to get an RO against ever have a total personality change or get a lobotomy or anything, so they figure if it's that damned bad, it's gonna be eternal...

I just hope I live long enough to see the pendulum swing back the other way and that I get to watch all of these lying piece of shit women get what's coming to them.

Men are getting fucked harder every day. And, the most ironic aspect of this is.... the whole family court/domestic violence/whole nine yards with this shit just PROVES what unfair, lying cuntbags women are.

All these laws got changed and enacted because women used to be the ones who got fucked, more ways than one.
It wasn't "fair", they whined.
They wanted things to be equal and "fair"...


They want BLOOD, they want REVENGE, they want a fuckin' free ride, just for sticking a man with a kid that neither of them wanted or needed or planned for, beyond the bitche's whole "free meal ticket/ride" shit...

That's not equal.
That's not "fair" and they fuckin' well know it.

Think they give a shit?

Not bloody likely.

They set men up, get pregnant, get their permanant "income" from his wallet for 18 or more years and, in the meantime, instead of being truly independant, productive and self-sustaining, real people, they just shit a kid and get their asses kissed further by "society" at large. AND, the present system of "justice" HELPS THEM DO IT!!!

They can't have a job (gasp!) because they need to be "there" every second "for the kids". Call off work every 14 seconds because their precious meal ticket is puking or some such rot. Whatta they hafta be there for? They taking pictures or something? Jeezus...
And, you KNOW if there's a goddamned kid involved, everybody else can just go to hell in any given situation.

So... ignorant cunts figure they'll trap a guy, suck 'im dry for YEARS and, meanwhile, get treated like "royalty" just because they're draggin' a screeching, annoying little ankle-bitin' crumb snatcher with them every goddamned place they go.

I hate 'em all....
(And I'm laughing my ass off at my own vitriol as I type... I'm not even pissed right now. This response of mine is INGRAINED from what I've witnessed over the years. I thank God every damned DAY for my defective ovaries. Truly, I do.... Thank you, God. See?)

Anyway... not having any drooling, shitting money drains around here to keep me from being REAL, I need to shaddap now and go to one of my THREE (part time, but still... ya know?) jobs.

I'd rather do this (have a buncha jobs and CONTRIBUTE) than that (ruin a man's life just because I don't wanna work like "those" women do).

Having said all of that... is there anything we can do NOW or start to do for the immediate future that can get this shit changed? Any organizations that're working on it that may need some help?

If it's for "MEN'S rights", they've got me.
Where do I sign?

Posted by: Stevie on December 24, 2005 07:09 AM

Good rant Stevie

While there was some justification for the Civil Rights and Woman's Movement 40 years ago, we presently have a world run by NOW, the NAACP, and GLAAD. What have they accomplished? A 50% divorce rate with plenty of children stuck in day care centers that never see their dads. Ninth ward style ghettos in every big city. AIDS and other STD’s running rampant. The DemoRats get elected by promoting the “Victim” mentality, with the GOP not far behind, so don’t look for any changes soon. It took 70 years for V. I. Lenin’s proletariat to wake up. It looks like we have another 30 years before this system falls.

Posted by: Ivan Ivanovich on December 24, 2005 08:04 AM

I once had a temp restraining order placed on me. The ex wife was goping nuts, throwing things and threatening bodily violence. I felt the right thing to do was to leave the house (to avoid an even uglier situation) and call the cops. They came and felt that since I had left the house, I should get the restraining order.

So much for doing the right thing....

Posted by: Dave on December 24, 2005 10:24 AM

None of this shit will change until the "baby-boom" generation - of which I am a member - is dead and gone.

Maybe not even then.

But going further, I must add that things have gone too far already for peaceful discourse to return this country to sanity. Unfortunately,we will pay in blood for what we would not pay for in vigorous exercise of our rights. There are too many people in the USA who are arrogant, lazy, and insensible to the truth looking in their face.

The so-called "Greatest Generation" made a colossal failure. They ASSUMED that their offspring would do as they did without teaching them. They GAVE their offspring everything they wanted. They LET their offspring do virtually anything they wanted to. If you open a history book and take a look at the drunk, doped, wet, dirty, rolling in the mud, copulating like animals in the open, '69 Woodstock festival - and beyond - you can see a preview of of the death yet-to-come of what was once a great nation.

And you see the results of what the this nation got when the "Greatest Generation" sat on their butts after WW2 and let their kids run wild - us - the boomer generation - and now the country is overrun by morons like Judge Sanchez.

Posted by: Roy on December 24, 2005 10:45 AM

That crime bill was a real stinker and you can thank the war on some drugs for creating the environment that allowed that dunderheaded legislation to pass.

In full disclosure, I have a lifetime order against my first husband (which is not easy to get) but I really need it. It's a miracle I'm alive and I have the scars to prove it. I can never imagine feeling safe around that man but I fought for the lifetime order so he wouldn't have to be served every year by the sheriff. I could never let it drop because after I let it lapse the first time, he was on my doorstep threatening to make hamburger meat of me again. It wasn't that easy to get it renewed the first time. The order probably saved my life and my daughter's. We've been hiding from him for about ten years now.

That's why it really pisses me off to see women lying about abuse and using it to punish their ex's. I've testified on behalf of men who were wrongly accused because women like that screw the system for the women who really need it. Every time some bitch lies, it makes it that much more difficult for truly abused women (or men - they get abused too) to be taken seriously.

As far as your order Acidman, I would think you could get it revoked soon, particularly since you did the detox thing. Actually you could probably even get your visitiation orders revised after you're sober for a few more months. Judges love the "seen the error in his ways" shit.

Posted by: Libby on December 24, 2005 11:25 AM

Man, as a woman I can say these frivolous ROs cost us all. Few years aog I left an abusive husband. He tried to kill me during the divorce, (spent 6 weeks in hospital) and many numerous threatinging letters and phone calls, I had to JUMP through hoops and get on my knees for a RO. Even then he would come to my door with a shotgun and actually shot my door once, the Police said there was nothing they could do about it, it was a civil matter, not criminal.
So how these bitches manage these frivilous ROs amazes me. They also make people trying to get LEGITIMATE ROs look like we are just as flaky. Dumb bitches...

Posted by: Steph on December 24, 2005 12:21 PM

Well, my best bud just had a temporary one filed against her hubby for telling her she'd soon find out what happened with their shotgun that is missing and for throwing her around and spitting on her a couple of times. Don't know how justified ya'll think that is, but I think she needed it.

As for that woman who got one against Letterman, there are always stupid judges. An RO is useless anyway. The Supreme Court ruled that we, as citizens and taxpayers, have no expectation of protection by the police department after a woman had her 2 kids killed by her ex and she had the RO in hand.

Posted by: LL on December 24, 2005 01:10 PM more thing- and tell every other guy you know this too-


Once you do, you're screwed.

AND, I read about this horseshit game (some) women pull in Men's Health.
What a woman does is starts a fight, escalates it til you swing on her or hit her, then has your ass removed if you haven't left on your own as she's dialling the cops and and then SHE gets the house.
Especially if there's friggin' kids (read that particular word dripping with comtempt) involved.

They do this on PURPOSE.

They take the hit to get the house and IT WORKS. The (alleged) "justice" system sees to that.

Don't fall for it.
Or at least keep it in mind "next time".
Hell, just do what the women do... grab a phone, lock yourself in a closet, call the cops, cry a lot, lie even more and look like a total wuss, if need be. At least you'll be a "wuss" with a HOUSE... let "her" look like the raving lunatic. Know what I'm sayin'?

And, Libby and Steph...
Thank you both so very much for not needing to be told that's it's the not the rare women like y'all that I was going off about.
You two both truly needed the protection and I rejoice in the fact that the (bentheaded as hell) system actually worked for you guys like it was supposed to.
Women like you two, rare as ya's are, are the kind of women (even) I'd fight to help if ever the situation arose. And, I'd do it as vociferously and vehemently for you and (the occasional) other women who TRULY needed it as I would for any man.
(So, yeah, the score is: Just about all men vs. about 1 (or 2) women in a million... just to keep it straight... *grin*) (Wouldn't want anybody thinkin' I'm goin' soft over here...)

God Bless you both and I hope you both have nothing but happiness and security and safety from now on.
Don't give up on men.
There ARE many, many good ones left.
(They're usually the ones "left" by hobag skanks, penniless, hurt, confused and a bit pissed. Can ya blame them, though? Just give 'em a chance. You'd be utterly SHOCKED at just how many of them are soooo worth the effort... Don't let those cunts win everything, ya know? 'Cause you just know that seeing the man they screwed over all alone and not loved is the icing on their shitcakes...)

Posted by: Stevie on December 24, 2005 01:28 PM

Thanks for the support Stevie and Steph. Just one more thing for the people who might be in danger and lurking here who are wondering about whether an RO would help, the big caveat is, it's just a piece of paper. It won't stop a bullet and it doesn't a mean a damn thing unless your local police will enforce it. All too few take it seriously precisely because of all the bloodsucking females that misuse them.

I was lucky to live in a town that did enforce but Noho was the only place I ever lived that really would. It's part of the reason I paid the ridiculous rent to live there for many years.

Posted by: Libby on December 24, 2005 02:20 PM

I knew it! Letterman has been making the moves on my broad with secret hand gestures!

Posted by: Cappy on December 24, 2005 02:50 PM

Katie Couric has been harassing me - and many others, I'm sure. Is there such a thing as a class-action R.O.?

Seriously, somewhere in the Violence Against Women Act or its administration is the proviso - which I have seen myself - that a woman can get a R.O. and the man does not have to be informed of it if he lives across a State border. I just can't imagine what this is designed to accomplish, can you?

But, after all, "they do have all the pussy." It's hard to fight Evolution and the oppression it has wrought upon men.

Posted by: Ga-ne-sha on December 24, 2005 04:16 PM

Most restraining orders are fairly toothless anyway. And as long as we are talking (fantasizing) about class action restraining orders (CAROs?), why don't we add the very annoying Kirstie Alley to the list, eh?

Posted by: Joni on December 24, 2005 06:37 PM

Actually, what I was thinking was, if this stupid woman can sue Dave for that dumb shit, I wanna sue the power-ballad rockers of the 70's and 80's for breach of promise, or something.

They sing of love and great things, then never DO call or anything.

I feel used.
And put upon.
They allll lied to me, oh "be-oh-oh, ach-oh-oh"....

How much must THAT be worth?

*rolling eyes and giggling*

Posted by: Stevie on December 24, 2005 07:13 PM

Is there any way this can eventually be lifted or is it for life? If so, that REALLY sucks...

On another note - have a peaceful, relaxing holiday...

Posted by: Lisa on December 24, 2005 08:16 PM

Um, most of them have to be renewed yearly or however often by judges...few people get life-long ROs, but it happens, and usually in extreme cases.

I didn't even bother renewing mine a third time, but as luck would have it the sum-bitch keeled over and died of a heartattack a few weeks after it expired.

But as far as the no firearms issue, I don't know.

Posted by: Stepahnie on December 25, 2005 05:58 PM
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