Gut Rumbles

September 29, 2005

i give up

I voted twice for George Bush and my republican state repersentatives for two reasons: I wanted less federal spending and I wanted less federal control over my life. I didn't get what I voted for.

I may never vote again. It doesn't matter anymore.


I know just how you feel. I live in The People's Republic of Washington and My vote simply doesn't get counted, while illegal leftist votes get counted repeatedly.

I fear an armed conflict is in the offing if elected officials don't do something statesmanlike soon. The left can't win without cheating and the right (whoever they are) don't seem to have a gonad amongst them.

Posted by: Gerry N. on September 29, 2005 07:14 PM

It is such a shame but I am afraid to give up.

Posted by: Kim on September 29, 2005 07:53 PM

Don't quit voting!

Sadly, in the coming election, voting against someone may be just as important as voting for someone.

Can anyone say, 'socialized medicine'?

I knew you could...

Posted by: jmflynny on September 29, 2005 08:20 PM

The good news is that you didn't get Al Gore, and you didn't get John Kerry.

Posted by: Jim - PRS on September 29, 2005 09:59 PM

Jim beat me to it. Just consider this: Prez Clinton. Madam Prez Clinton. I can't say it out loud, if I tried, my tongue would fall off.

Posted by: Bogdaddy on September 29, 2005 10:10 PM

I feel your pain.

Dubya is spending like Ted Kennedy at a discount liquor outlet.

The fucking Republicans OWN the House, Senate and the Whitehouse and they still act like they don't want to step on any toes. Worse still, we have RINOs like McCain, Chafee and Snowe gumming up the works.

WWJD. What Would Jefferson Do?

Posted by: rightisright on September 29, 2005 10:23 PM

I'm with GUYK. I'll go down fighting if I have to go down. I know it's harder to fight at our age but we can't just give up. Rethink this one Rob. I know you'll make the right decision.

Posted by: assrot on September 29, 2005 10:40 PM

I know I live a long way off, but three guesses what colorS my blood still runs! If I can get my buttcracker ass down to the embasy to vote, you can get your Savannahtucky ass down to the firehouse! If you don't,......well,....booger!booger!booger!booger!booger!booger!booger!

Posted by: James Hooker, Ace of aces on September 29, 2005 11:28 PM

No, we didn't get Al Gore, or JFK, or Hillary...we got one of us, a 'Conservative', who assfucks us at will, with our hearty permission.

'Thank you sir! May I have another!'

Fucking pitiful.

I'll vote for Nader next time...the suicide vote.

Posted by: Bane on September 30, 2005 01:16 AM

In some ways I agree, I didnt get every thing I wanted either.... but I sure as hell didin't get KERRY! Don't stop voting those other guys might end up putting a lot worse than bush in charge....... I'd bet that you have made the right (best) choice in the last 7 or 8 elections... am I wrong?

Posted by: witch on September 30, 2005 02:32 AM

Damn. This is why libertarians can't get any traction. People give up instead of switching.

That's like saying Budweiser and Coors are both pisswater, so the hell with beer.

Posted by: Desert Cat on September 30, 2005 02:38 AM

It's true that W is spending money like a drunken sailor (don't mean to insult any old salts out there), but at least he (unlike the Dhimmocrats) knows how to defend the country from bin Laden types. If we would have had Gore/Kerry we would have already surrendered and disbanded our military.

Posted by: Garry K on September 30, 2005 09:29 AM

Defending us .. umm hmmm. While at the same time pissing on our Constitution that our dads fought and bled for and died for in the last bad go around, WWII. The US is rapidly becoming a democracy in name only. Or so it seems to me.

Posted by: maggot on September 30, 2005 10:12 AM

"The US is rapidly becoming a democracy in name only"

This is part of the problem This country is not a democracy, and was never intended to be a democracy. Th USA is a Republic that is supposed to be under constitutional rule to protect the minority from the tyanny of the majority. However, during the past fifty years the Supreme court which was packed with the liberal left have ruled as if the country was a democracy. They have twisted the equal opportunity under the law clause of the 14 amendment to mean any damn thing they want and have for all purposes voided the 10 amendment which gives such things as public schools, public social programs, and any other agenda not specifically mentioned in the constitution to the individual states. A democracy is one of the most dangerous forms of government because of the fact that if you happen to have something the majority wants they can take it away by the majority vote. I would rather live under a dictatorship-at least it might be consistant and you would know who you had to buy off every year.

Posted by: GUYK on September 30, 2005 04:30 PM

Well Guyk, I knew I was on to something in the second grade when I observed that majority rule and individual freedom were contradictory principles, and was sent to the corner for embarrassing the teacher.

Posted by: Brett on September 30, 2005 07:05 PM

Okay everyone, listen up...

All politics is local.

Got that? Tip O'Neal said it, but it's the honest truth.

The fact is, the potus can't even gas up air force one without the congress appropriating the money for it. And ALL members of congress - senate and house - are elected via LOCAL election.

Get involved. If libertarianism is your cup-o-tea, then get out there and get libertarians voted in for all of those local and municipal offices.

Look, I voted for Bush. I voted for him even though I was pissed at his lack of a conservative domestic policy agenda and his screwed-up ideas about illegal immigration. But there are two things that the potus has the most effect on - foreign policy, and Federal court/Supreme court appointments - these two considerations, with the war on terror and the scotus vacancies, trumped all other considerations in my opinion. And the opposition available in 2004 were way out in "left" field and not viable.

But never forget - the President is the ONLY nationally elected office in the land. Everything else is local. Do you think either Ted Kennedy or that boob Cynthia McKinney would survive a national vote?

If you want to change things, you must start from the ground up. And the ground up is your city, county, district, and state.

Rob, instead of simply not voting at all. Go to the polls every single time there is an election - even for dogcatcher - and vote for the best candidates no matter what party they are a member of. You may waste quite a few votes, but if everyone did this we might start to see some results.


Posted by: Roy on September 30, 2005 07:20 PM

ROY YOU ARE CORRECT! We sit around and bitch about someone else's crooked representaive but sit back and enjoy the pork our own brings home for us. The problem is that this dog cannot keep hunting for ever. The country is already at a borrowing rate of 6 percent of the GDP and that is the point that most countries have wound up defaulting on their national debt! It is only because of a 3+ percent in the GNP average for the past few years that we have not done so already. But continued borrowing and spluging on pork will drive the country into default and then it is run-away inflation and high interest rate, high unemployment and everyone crying for someone to fix it. It will get fixed but how much pain will we have to endure before it happens?

Posted by: GUYK on September 30, 2005 08:51 PM

Great points Roy and Guy. I also think the way for the people to take back the government is from the bottom up. Start locally and the national level will take care of itself. However I'm not sure we can ever, all find a common platform, nor do I necessarily think we should. It would leave no room for dissent and that's a vital part of a healthy republic. We should be debating policy, nobody is right all the time.

I do think we need find common ground though instead of endlessly bickering over the disagreements. Not unlike Rob, I'm disgusted with both parties and unsure of how to vote. I'm not comfortable with any of the alternate parties either. They all take some positions I just can't support.

I don't fit in anywhere. Right now I'm a party of one, a Libbytarian. However, the planks I think we all can agree are personal liberties and state's rights. The nanny government is out of control and I rest this squarely on the religious right extremists. There are far more dangerous than the far left. The anarchists have been out there forever, and have not changed a thing. The far right on the other hand has only found their power in the last, what 30 years, and they're succeeding in changing policy - all to the detriment of personal freedom.

I don't want to wake up some day and find out that church attendance is mandatory, that I can't walk down a city street without showing my ID to a cop, that I can't speak my mind freely and the only entertainment I'm allowed is Leave it to Beaver reruns. It will be a lot harder to win our freedom back from a theocracy than it would to protect it in the first place.

I don't agree with a lot of stuff that's said here but I think the only way we're going to save this country is by working together on what we can agree on. But I'm no political scholar, I'm just an old broad with a lot of opinions and a big mouth.

So my question is, where do we start? How can we work together for our common interests?

Posted by: Libby on October 1, 2005 11:39 AM

Desert Cat, GuyK, and Roy are on to something.

Voting has become the Prisoners' Dilemma writ large. I would happily pull the lever for every Libertarian candidate on the ballot if only I could trust enough of my fellow Libertarians-disguised-as-Republicans to do the same, to prevent another 1992 from happening.

Ronaldus Maximus was the last President I voted FOR ; all votes since then have been votes AGAINST the person most likely to defeat the lesser of two evils. Sad.

Posted by: Grumpy Old Ham on October 1, 2005 12:07 PM
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