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August 18, 2005

this is sad

I don't know whether Israel is right or wrong here. I just don't like the idea of soldiers running people out of their homes.

If the same things were done to me, I'd probably be dead. I'd stand in my doorway with every gun I don't own loaded, with a cigarette hanging out of my mouth, and I'd say, "STOP! OR I'LL SHOOT!"

The troops could blow me to hell after that. I probably wouldn't shoot at them, because they didn't ask for the job, but I'd fire a few rounds, make 'em kill me and drag my dead body away.

It's MY HOME. It may not be much, but it's MINE.

And I won't allow anyone to take it away from me without killing me first. I MEAN that.

Comments

Its a mess, for sure.....however, these Jewish "settlers" are being paid up to a HALF a MILLION dollars to leave GAZA. Thats not too shabby of a compensation package, considering the place is (IMHO) a rathole.

Posted by: Ruth on August 18, 2005 08:31 AM

Having moved all of my life, I don't place that much emphasis on a house. It's an inanimate object. Home is what I make of it...and home is with me wherever I go.

Not that I don't understand what you're saying, though.

Posted by: Kelly on August 18, 2005 08:49 AM

I saw on the news that one man out there started tearing down his home brick by brick rather than let someone take it from him.
I'm fighting to keep my home right now, and if I lose, I'd rather do the same. I can walk away and start again but I'll be damned if I let someone just take whats mine.

Posted by: Misty on August 18, 2005 08:57 AM

We are bearing witness to a historic event. Israel is to be praised for removing themselves from Gaza, even though, IMHO, they have every right to be there. How tough must it be for an Israeli soldier to foreceably remove these settlers on prime beach front property only to hand it back to the folks they won it from? It is truly a sad mess.

Posted by: Florida Bill on August 18, 2005 09:22 AM

The saddest thing is that any of these people who remained behind would simply be murdered by the Palestinians. Conversely, Arabs who remained behind in 1948 became full citizens of Israel. Go figure.

Posted by: Elisson on August 18, 2005 10:00 AM

acidman--i love what you said and if i had a rifle or had even the first idea how to use one i'd do the same thing. i don't smoke (used to), but the day some soldier comes knocking on MY door to tell me to get outta MY home, you could bet i'll be smoking a lot THAT day.
well, once the terrorists flood in to the destroyed communities of gaza after they completely over-power the pussy abbas, and maybe after sharon has 9,000 jews living in tiny trailers in the middle of the negev, with mortars blasting holes through the roofs (business as usual for islamic jihad)--then, maybe then, sharon will have realized that he made a big f*cking mistake.
gaza--the jewish parts--was a beautiful area: green gardens with freshly mowed grass, hothouses, flowers, synagogues, oranges the size of watermelons, faithful people.
the parts that are a rat hole are the parts where the palestinians live, the refugee camps which are a combination of a) a woe-is-me symbol of the palestinian plight to rule the world with islamofascism, by making the ignorant dumbasses of the universe feel sympathy for them and give into to them because they put hooverville shacks all over the news b) a direct result of yassir arafatfuck (may his memory be blotted out) pocketing millions of dollars of foreign aid, from the dumb asses who would trust it to him to begin with, so he could feed his porkshop of a wife in paris, who couldn't even bear to be in the same country as her sandniggar-lipped bastard husband.

Posted by: erica on August 18, 2005 10:05 AM

Do you want to guess who is paying compensation to the Israelis for their homes! And, who is paying to help the new Palespissians settle in? Think April 15, when that money is duped from working folks.

And is Sharon giving up his home??

Maybe the Israelis are just pulling their people out of the future radioactive fallout zone.

Posted by: TomR on August 18, 2005 10:59 AM

re: "Do you want to guess who is paying compensation to the Israelis for their homes! And, who is paying to help the new Palespissians settle in? Think April 15, when that money is duped from working folks."
to that i would respond: if the most foreign aid (i believe approximately 1.8 percent of the president's budget) goes to the only democratic outpost in the middle east which is completely dedicated to combatting islamofascism all over the world, then i say good. for that, they could take my tax dollars!
also, check out a post guyk wrote (http://charmingjustcharming.blogspot.com/2005/08/what-al-qaida-really-wants.html) which might shed some light on what it is al quaida's after and what their long-term goal is. (rob, i hope it's not considered 'shitting' in your house by posting someone else's link, but i think it's really fascinating)

Posted by: erica on August 18, 2005 11:30 AM

The Israeli overnment owns and manages 77 percent of the country's land area, and as a matter of policy it does not sell land.....

Sooooo, its not as if the Jewish "settlers" in Gaza are LOSING land that they PAID for.

Furthermore, recent polls indicate that the MAJORITY of Israelis are in favor of the GAZA pullout.

The few holdouts in GAZA (sadly) dont want peace. They are every bit as stubborn as the militant Palestinians....

Posted by: Ruth on August 18, 2005 11:39 AM

I sympathize with anyone who looses their home, and yes, I'd put up a fight.

But cultural attachments to the land that prevail in that part of the world have become outworn, antiquated. Just relocating people is not an answer, there has to be a paradigm shift in thinking - the earth is one country, and mankind is it's citizens.

Posted by: Bonita on August 18, 2005 11:39 AM

I don't like the move for several reasons which I will not list here. But, I have came to the conclusion that something is up in the Palestinian and Arab world that Israeli intelligence knows about and that this is a pullback for defense purposes. It is a "circle the wagons" move.

Posted by: GUYK on August 18, 2005 12:53 PM

There's been a few good points here. Yest, of the 100 some odd million that's been spent on this whole fiasco, we (the US) has fronted like 60+ mill. I don't have all the sources, but what we are actually witnessing is a power shift.

I think I find the idea of a MAJOR shift of power more believable. One that's been in the works for quite some time.

And, yes... You and I paid for it -- The establishment of a FAR LEFT Islamofacist Government. Check it out for yourself! Seems totally possible.

http://aarons.cc/2005/08/17/a-history-of-us-twisting-of-israeli-prime-ministers-arms/

Posted by: LC Corey on August 18, 2005 01:05 PM

Some of the latter posts are intriguing...what I read the other day (WAPO???) was indicative of what may be happening over there. Hamas is basically saying that regardless of the pullout of Gaza, they're still going to keep sending suicide bombers to do their dirty deeds. And they'll continue to try to drive Israel into the sea....that's their stated goal...regardless of what the Israelis appease themselves into....I can't figure it all out either....

Posted by: JJW on August 18, 2005 02:11 PM

It basically boils down to this: The powers that be in Israel have become convinced that by appeasing terrorism they will help bring on peace. They've convinced the majority of the Israeli population as well.

They're wrong. The Palestinians will move in, they will just move their wallowing in filth to Gaza and Gaza will become a rallying point for how terrorism works and more Israelis will die. This will encourage more terrorism.

Keep in mind that Gaza was acquired during a war that the Arabs started.

Posted by: Daniel Medley on August 18, 2005 02:16 PM

What Daniel said.

This is insanity.

Posted by: The Other Mike S on August 18, 2005 03:00 PM

actually, i have to correct you on that one: the six day war was started by israel, who pre-empted the attack by her viscious arab neighbors. read about it--it's fascinating!

Posted by: erica on August 18, 2005 05:16 PM

I think they are making a mistake by forcing the Gaza evacuation. It's always a bad idea to reward terrorism.

Posted by: Cappy on August 18, 2005 07:50 PM

I don't necessarily see this as Israel rewarding terrorism(let's face it, the Arab world would trumpet ANY kind of pullout as a victory over the JOOOOS no matter how it was accomplished), since Barak had promised Gaza to the Palestinians in the first place. That particular deal was struck down by the Fish, but it seems to me that Israel is sticking to those original boundaries.

It sucks that these folks have to be kicked out of their homes, but at the same time, I think the Israeli govt is looking at the reality of the situation and deciding that these folks will be safer in the long run behind the fence than in the strip. Furthermore, they can wash their hands of the region and force the Palestinians to be responsible for the maintenance and upkeep now. Palestine was a beautiful country when the Turks were running things there, and the Israelis have done what they can to produce a livable society, but I don't think the Palestinians have a hope in hell of actually proving that they can maintain a stable society for long. The death-cult mentality that the Fish nurtured like a cloven-hoofed spawn is just too strong right now for them to focus on that rather than killing Jews.

Posted by: Chris on August 18, 2005 08:04 PM

Hehe . . .

It appears unanimous from the comments here, that ebonics has fully infiltrated the study of history, resulting in an expected lack thereof.

If any of you want to rumble on back about 11 decades or so, then progress forward, you might get a glimpse. Better yet, to understand who lies at the bottom of the pile . . . consider those yokels who tried to put TBTC out of business. They understood history, and drank great beer, too!

I'd mention Big E and a midwest underground connection, but that gets real complicated, and FOX has yet to report on it, so who here could know?

And no, that "other" jb had nothing to do with it, but he had a pert fair number 1 and a few good years.

One got it right, but doesn't know why.

:-)

Posted by: jb on August 18, 2005 09:07 PM

Watch out Acidman...the Supreme Court has just given your city the right to take your house for almost any reason they want to........

Posted by: Gahrie on August 18, 2005 11:06 PM

JB--- what the fuck are you drinking tonight? That's about the most incoherent comment I've ever seen you make, and that's a stretch.

Whatever it is, I want some of it! I want slobber running down MY chin, too.

Posted by: Acidman on August 19, 2005 12:05 AM

Damn, Rob--

And you were the "one" I was crediting for getting the history right, even if you didn't know why.

Used to study this way in school--using creative mnemonics that forced out of the box thinking to force retention of matters historical, way beyond the mindless rote memory method most used then, and gleefully (and likewise, obviously), ignored by most today.

My apologies to RAH, but the moon can't hold a torch to Dame History. She is a stone bitch mistress that makes you learn her lessons, and she will make you repeat everything over and over again until you get it right.

With a little Googling to make up for C-minuses or worse in history, and a little more imagination than most here use in calling someone else a name rather than refuting an argument COHERENTLY, I suspect you, and maybe one or two others who do show promise in independent thought, could unravel my supposed "incoherency" in relatively short order.

I left clues all over the place . . . a buddy zippoed me and told me I was making it too easy for y'all.

Ah, well, part of the fun is watching the contestants unlock the mystery.

:-)

Posted by: jb on August 19, 2005 12:49 AM

JB,

PUT . . . .THE CRACKPIPE . . . .DOWN.

AND MOVE . . . . SLOWLY . . . . AWAY.

Posted by: Daniel Medley on August 19, 2005 05:24 AM

It is sad to see anyone lose their home but the active word here is their....this is land that rightfully belongs toa invaded country,ive it back and move on. Terrible thing here is the Palenstinians have imported protesters so it looks worse than it truly is. Not that many Jews didn`t comply with the presidents request.

Posted by: arathorn on August 19, 2005 09:22 AM
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