Gut Rumbles

July 08, 2005

dangerous topic

When the dog-and-pony show begins, any nominee Bush picks for the Supreme Court will be grilled like a piece of steak about Roe v. Wade, as if that case is the most important issue in the country today. It's NOT, but it sure blows up the dresses of a lot of feminists and hyperventilating Democrats.

Here's a post that some people won't like. Hell... any time a person writes about abortion, that writer is gonna piss SOMEBODY off, no matter what he says. I believe that Assrot is too radical to suit MY humble opinion on the issue, but he's also correct in a lot of what he says.

I do not believe that Roe v. Wade will EVER be overturned by the Supreme Court. We've accepted abortion now, people are gonna do it whether it's legal or not, and anybody who claims that we're heading back to the back-alleys and coathanger days is lying to you.

I DO believe that abortion has become the "convenient" form of birth control that a LOT of wimmen use because they lack personal responsibility. Yeah. Get drunk, fuck a stranger, become pregnant and then have an abortion. Problem solved.

Bullshit. If you read the comments on that post, you'll see a Usual Suspect bringing up the fact that NO form of birth control is 100% reliable. I can't argue with that. It's true.

But how many wimmen have abortions because their birth control failed? Or they were "raped?" MILLIONS of them? C'mon. Gimme a break. That's the biggest Straw Man argument I ever heard.

Most wimmen have abortions because they lacked the self-control or good sense to KEEP from getting pregnant in the first place. Anybody who says anything different is being "politically correct" and has learned to see dog shit and call it a rose.

I've voiced my opinions on this issue before. Abortion should be legal, but discouraged. ANYTHING after the second trimester should be forbidden. Partial-birth abortion is an abomination, fit for something old Joe Mengala might have thought up during his experiments in Nazi Germany.

How having an abortion became a badge of PRIDE that some wimmen wear today is a mystery to me. That's a lot like saying "I went bankrupt and I'm DELIGHTED that I showed a complete lack of good sense and responsibility. Balancing a checkbook is foolish. I am WOMAN! Hear me ROAR! It's MY RIGHT to be foolish and irresponsible."

Yeah. It IS your right, as long as you affect only yourself.

But abortion doesn't do that.


Damn straight.

Posted by: Chris on July 8, 2005 12:27 PM

I have an unexpected pregnancy story...not sure I want to share it... other than to say, I didnt want the child, the father DID want the child...and I ended up having a miscarriage (and the guilt of having a "mis" has never left this day I am wracked with guilt, especially since I married the man who was involved)

BUT anyway......I want my bumper sticker ACIDMAN.....(dont make me beg)

Posted by: Ruth on July 8, 2005 12:40 PM

I bow before the Mighty Bejus for linking one of my posts. Thanks Rob. Damn, now I am going to have to start writing more. Me? Radical? You should meet my dad.

Posted by: assrot on July 8, 2005 12:41 PM

Ruth, you never sent me your address (or if you did, I deleted it with a pack of spam). I'll damn sure send you a "Gut Rumbles" bumper sticker. Hell... I'll send one to ANYBODY who wants one.

It pays to advertise.

Posted by: Acidman on July 8, 2005 12:46 PM

I was one of the exceptions to the rule. I had a sinus infection that required MASSIVE amounts of antibiotics to cure. They failed to inform me to use another form of birth control during this time. I had the abortion. In the same circumstances, I probably would make the same decision. I am not proud of it. I have had a miscarriage since then and a couple of more kids. But the two I lost will forever be a part of me.

What made it worse, though, was the fact that I had to be escorted into the place by a very large friend with a very large gun in order to get by the protesters safely. That didn't help make my decision any easier or less heart wrenching.

It IS being used as a form of birth control, though, and that is so wrong. There were women in there that were laughing and joking and being so irreverent. They were there for their 4th,5th,6th abortions and some had kids, too. It was appalling. In my opinion, those women had no hearts. None. That is what has to stop. And that is the point of both posts.

Posted by: Kelly on July 8, 2005 01:01 PM

Nice post, I could not agree more.
I might add this, though....
Men have no business even discussing the issue, unless it is with their wives only. We are missing the Chromosones for this discussion..
Government Get out of our bedrooms.

Posted by: GrampaPinhead on July 8, 2005 01:19 PM

As is frequently the case, I agree with much (but not all) of what Rob says in his post. Abortion is being used a birth control and it should not be used in that fashion. However, Rob lays all the blame for these unwanted pregnancies on the woman. The woman got drunk and had unprotected sex and then had an abortion. The women lacked the self-control to keep from getting pregnant in the first place. I don't know what planet Rob is from, but where I'm from, it takes a male to make a female pregnant. If a guy does not KNOW that the woman is on the pill (or the patch or the under the skin thing) and does not KNOW that she is disease free, then the guy is just as culpable for the pregnancy (and any diseases he picks up along the way). How many of these irresponsible guys try to persuade the woman not to have the abortion. From my personal experience, NONE. These guys don't want the responsibility and burden of having an unplanned mess monster. I'm not saying that the fact that there are two irresponsible people involved makes the woman's failure any less culpable, but there is plenty of blame to share. Don't ignore the role of the guy. If you can't keep it in your pants, then you're still a boy and not a man.

Posted by: Kukulkan on July 8, 2005 01:33 PM

But how many wimmen have abortions because their birth control failed? Or they were "raped?" MILLIONS of them? C'mon. Gimme a break. That's the biggest Straw Man argument I ever heard.
I love the use of the quotes around the word "raped". You're the first person I've ever seen, besides myself, toe the PC line about the subject. There's a very deep chasm between actual rape and 'regretted sexual acts'. Sorry people, but unless there's hospital emergency room visits, police reports and lots of screaming of "NO"'s not's a cop-out.

Posted by: Chablis on July 8, 2005 01:34 PM

You can call bullshit, but I know this is true. In the late seventies when the Wintergreen ski resort was being built in centrl Virginia, an eastern diamond rattler weighing 92 pounds was killed. Pictures were taken of the worker and the snake. I've still got a copy somewhere. Anyway, they were gonna put it in the local paper, but the powers that be decided it would be bad publicity for the resort. The story was throttled. That's almost three times the world record for a rattlesnake!

Posted by: Ed on July 8, 2005 01:44 PM

So I assume my bumper sticker's in the mail, right?

Anyway, I'm with Kulkulkan. What do you think of the men involved in these unwanted pregnancies? They have the option [and MANY of them take it] of just walking away, never to be seen or heard from again [unless the woman's able to find him and at least get some financial support]. Women don't have that option.

I would bet MANY women who have had abortions learned one of life's hardest lessons as a result -- that it was a mistake, and they have to live with that mistake for the rest of their lives. But its really nobody's business but their own.

Posted by: Jane on July 8, 2005 02:01 PM

Grampapinhead, why shouldn't men have any say in discussions of abortion? The children and proto-children being killed are ours as much as they are theirs. "Keep your choices off my child" is as good a line as "keep your laws off my body". Better IMO in that it recognizes that we're not discussing a tumor, but a soon-to-be person.

My take on this topic is the same as my take on any other governmental issue: does it increase or decrease individual responsibility? Abortion, like Social Security and easy divorce and welfare, *decreases* personal responbility, and without responsibility for our own lives, and the consequences of our decisions, we're not free citizens. We're subjects.

Posted by: Jason Bontrager on July 8, 2005 02:08 PM

To Jane & Kukulkan,

Damn..this is why women appear to be dumbasses. Let's see...some harddick meets drunk cooch...drunk cooch goes home, harddick says, "No, we must not do this without protection, even though I don't know you, will never see you again and if you get knocked up, you don't even know how to find me?" Where in the fuck do you live? What rainbow are you sliding down every morning? However, if drunk cooch puts rubber in purse, repeats the mantra "no puzz without protection a couple of hundred times on the way to the bar, manages to slur the words, use a raincoat damn you, have one in purse, and you think that harddick says hell no?" Nope, he's unwrapping that foil so quick your head will spin....Their are just certain issues that a woman should be intellgent enough to take care of without throwing up her defensless hands and shrugging her shoulders, birth control and her body are on the top of the list. Did I consciously set out to have 3 kidz...nope...but did I know while creating them that the possiblitly was there..yep...I'd skipped a pill or 2 on accident..damn sure did not blame it on failed birth control, blamed in on my dumb ass not taking the birth control then proceeded to become a momma

Posted by: Kellie on July 8, 2005 02:26 PM

The reason the responsibility falls upon the women is because they have all the power in the situation. Why? Because they have to deal with it.

A woman has the power to abort, or not name the father, or name the father. What if you're the guy who wants the kid and gf has an abortion or won't name you as the father so that you can get visitation? As a guy, you don't have a choice. As a woman, you can do what you want and that's what happens when you have all the power, you then take on all the responsibility.

It's just that simple. So, what do men want, really? It would take a man willing to sue a mother for custody of her unborn child and WIN to really make a difference in discussion like that and how many men out there are willing to do that? How many men feel that strongly about abortion?

Posted by: Kelly on July 8, 2005 02:39 PM

If I'd gotten pregnant at 17 or 18 (unmarried and stupid) abortion would have been an option. Now, at 45, with no kids, happily married, but not wanting kids & using birth control - abortion would NOT be an option. Why? My feelings about it have changed as I've gotten older - it's just not right (most of the time).

Posted by: muz on July 8, 2005 03:34 PM

Bingo, muz. People make mistakes, especially at a young age. Why should innocent children suffer their entire lives because their parentS (it takes two, and men are dumbarses too sometimes, Kellie, they don't always say "No, we must not do this without protection") made a mistake.

Posted by: Jane on July 8, 2005 04:01 PM

One of the biggest problems in our young people, especially girls, today is the fact that an unwanted pregnancy is simply a mistake. It shouldn't be JUST a mistake. It should be a HUGE fuck up.

My mother would have nailed my ass to the wall if I came home pregnant at 16 or 17. That's the ONLY thing that kept my legs closed til I was an adult.

Posted by: Chablis on July 8, 2005 05:17 PM

Abortions were going on long before Roe v Wade made them legal. Women and girls of families with the money were sent out of the country to have them.

Those without means did it through substandard illegal abortionists, friends of frends who "knew what to do" or tried to do it to themselves in desparation.

Many died because of this but they did it anyway. Some just killed themselves.

Personally it's not something I condone but I don't want to go back to the days when it was illegal and women and young girls died for getting pregnant.

No more wire hangers.

Posted by: StinKerr on July 8, 2005 10:29 PM

Send me one of your fucktard bumper stickers Acidbrain.....I'll tear it up and burn it as an expression of my rights under the First Amendment before Bush gets rid of that too.


Posted by: PJ on July 9, 2005 04:10 AM

Jane says, Bingo, muz. People make mistakes, especially at a young age. Why should innocent children suffer their entire lives because their parentS...

In so many words: they are better off dead. That about sum it up Jane? Nice worldview you have...

Posted by: likwidshoe on July 9, 2005 11:51 AM

Somebody, anybody, please justify fifty million abortions.

Posted by: Larry on July 10, 2005 01:37 AM
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