Gut Rumbles

June 27, 2005

he's senile

I always liked Billy Graham, because I believe that he really tried to be a Man of God instead of a huckster, like so many others in his line of work. I'm not religious, but I admire strong character when I see it, and I think Billy Graham had character.

But it's time for him to hang up his robes and retire when he starts saying that hillary Clinton should run the country. Got-dam, Billy! Are you out of your farookin' mind?

Men of the Cloth have no business in politics. In MY humble opinion, they preach pure superstition to the unwashed masses, selling the concept of a Gawd Almighty who is just as petty, spiteful and vindictive as a spoiled six year-old brat. (or "Diva" bloggers) If you want to buy that shit, YOU go right ahead. Just don't ask me to join the flock.

But that's really the subject for another post. My central point is... it's time for Billy Graham to sit down and shut up before he stains his otherwise good reputation the way Jimmy Carter has done since that grinning idiot left office.

Billy--- quit while you're ahead.


I like Billy Graham, but when he said "let Hillary run the country" he proved that old age really has caught up with him....

Here's a feminist (Hillary) that doesn't even have enough backbone to leave her husband after an Oval Office blow job..... wha...? And she is presidential "timber"????

Billy....methinks you truly have gone "Graham Crackers"....

Posted by: Ruth on June 27, 2005 11:24 AM

Au Contraire.....I think Billy Graham is the ONLY "famous" evangelical preacher that has avoided monetary scandals (the kind that Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggert have gotten tangled up in) And even if he did (and I dont think he did) have some discrepancies with the collection plate, it PALES in comparison to the Catholic Church that for years has looked the other way while parish priests have raped and sodomized little boys...
Sick bastards and its STILL going on today.....all the while the hapless and brainwashed Catholic parishioner pays millions upon millions to the victims of these pedophiles, I mean "priests".....

So while I think old Billy Graham may not be quite as sharp as he once was, he would still have a long way to go before he sunk as low as the Catholic Church has with all their sexual perverts who masquerade as "holy men".....

Posted by: Ruth on June 27, 2005 12:54 PM

Ruth: A quick search on google has proved me wrong about the money scandal. The scandal was about some racist remarks about Jews. His remarks were caught on the ixon tapes during one of his visits with trickie dickie-two of a kind I guess.

Posted by: GUYK on June 27, 2005 02:10 PM

Billy Graham made some remarks (that he DID not know were being recorded) about how Jews have a stranglehold on the MEDIA. How is that racist?

And as far as Richard Nixon goes, he had tons of Jews in his administration....Henry Kissinger, William Safire, Leonard Garment, Herb Stein (Ben Stein's father) just to name a few...and, in 1973, Nixon saved Israel from possible destruction with his massive weapons airlift during the Yom Kippur War....

Nice try GUYK, but it would be helpful if you knew what the hell you were talking about...

Posted by: Ruth on June 27, 2005 02:58 PM

Ruth, you are a bitch. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. I simply quoted what I saw on google. Go look it up you stupid shit.

Posted by: GUYK on June 27, 2005 03:01 PM

How is making a gross generalization about a certain race not racist???? Whether or not he knew he was being recorded doesn't really seem to be the point.

Posted by: bbuddha on June 27, 2005 03:04 PM

I dont have to go look up some shit on Google (like you)

And if you werent so stupid, you wouldnt either. But its easy (if you're YOU) to just accuse Billy Graham of being a thief and an anti Semite and then when someone (like me) calls you on it, you NAME CALL (called me a bitch) Gee whiz, though my heart is broken by the criticism of unknown internet meanies I will be brave and battle on....

Posted by: Ruth on June 27, 2005 03:08 PM

Buddha: Billy Graham said there were a lot of Jews in the media. How is that racist? Thats like saying "theres a lot of black people in the NBA" OR, "theres a lot of white people in professional tennis" (is that racist?) I think its merely stating a fact.

Posted by: Ruth on June 27, 2005 03:11 PM

Actually, he and Nixon were discussing how to get rid of the jews in the media. Racist? I suppose if they were talking about how to get rid of blacks in the media it would have been racist to nuts such as Ruth. But getting rid of jews is okay. But, I suspect she is a touch scitzo so do not lend a lot of credence to her ramblings and rants.

Posted by: GUYK on June 27, 2005 03:44 PM

Actually GUYK, Billys concern was over Jewish liberalism controlling the media...At no time did Billy Graham say we need to REMOVE Jews from the media. (although he was concerned about the heavily LIBERAL influence many Jews brought to the media) And I dont think Billy was wrong in his beliefs, the LIBERAL media began the culture war in this country and we are rapidly becoming a Third World Country....just look at what the LIBERAL MEDIA (and more specifically) MTV has provided in the way of "entertainment" in the past few Super Bowls (halftime show) GARBAGE that you cannot even watch with your young children in the same room....So GUYK, so ram it, you really dont know what you are talking about....

Posted by: Ruth on June 27, 2005 03:53 PM

I'll be damn Ruth, you do know how to use google. So Billy and Dickie wanted to remove only Liberal Jews from the media. Chaming, just fucking Charming. But, I suppose that if Billy had wanted to remove conservative Jews from the media that would have been Okay also? Personally don't give a damn. All I remembered was that there was a scandal envolving Billy Graham and Billy being a preacher figured it was money. Looked it up and found out he was accused of being a racist. Now is you have your drawers in a knicker about this-just take them off and wash them.

Posted by: GUYK on June 27, 2005 04:21 PM

GuyK you are beginning to bore me....the evangelicals (that would be Billy Graham and others) are ISRAELs biggest supporters....(go GOOGLE that why dont you)

What Billy was concerned about (for the last time) was the LIBERAL JEWISH influence via the media.....and if you dont understand what the likes of Mel Karmazin, Sumner Redstone and Michael Eisner (just to name a few) have done to this country then theres no amount of me explaining thats gonna help. You are a fucktard...

Posted by: Ruth on June 27, 2005 04:34 PM

Ruth, you and GuyK are violating one of the few rules I have on this blog. My comments are NOT a fucking chat-room. If you two want to debate, use your email.

Othewise, both of you shut the fuck up.

Posted by: Acidman on June 27, 2005 04:44 PM're right...and besides....debating this asshole GUYK gives me nothing but a pounding headache.... and quickly...

This was really a descent into hell...and email him? Surely you jest Rob...

Posted by: Ruth on June 27, 2005 04:50 PM

It occurs to me that the statement was a joke - I'm sure he feels that Hillary would make as great a president as Billary would make a great evangelist.

You know, it IS possible to say what you really mean about somebody without hurting their feelings while they're standing right there. Sounds like he took the high road and was polite to his guests...

He probably walked off the stage and hrumphed to himself, "yeah, that will be the day, Bill an evangelist and that witch running the country. Hah!"

Posted by: Circa Bellum on June 27, 2005 05:02 PM

CIRCA, lets hope....cuz if Hillary is ever elected Prez, I will volunteer to go search for that lost MARS Polar Lander.....Another country will not be far enough will have to be another galaxy.....

Posted by: Ruth on June 27, 2005 05:07 PM

Acidman, my apologies.

Posted by: GUYK on June 27, 2005 05:41 PM

The problem with most religions, is that initially they are inspirational, but all of them eventually get miss-used. What a shame.

Posted by: Bonita on June 27, 2005 07:29 PM

The problem with all religions is they are false.

Posted by: Brett on June 28, 2005 01:32 AM

Billy Graham should die with grace. It's his time to go. Hopefully they'll get him a nice haircut for the funeral.

Vote for Hillary! If you're an idiot who wants a full on civil war, instead of the cold kind we're fighting now.

Posted by: Trevor on June 28, 2005 10:07 AM

Will Rogers once said, "All I know is what I read in the papers."

Well, we all know how well that works out. Graham was making a joke and being nice to Hillary and Bill since they were his guests that night. As for Graham's involvement with Nixon, he said this recently during his interview with Larry King:

"Well, I wish I hadn't talked politics with him so much and world affairs. We spent -- I spend hours and hours with him.

We played at least 100 games of golf before he ever became president. And I met him through him his mother in California. And when in California I preached to his mother's funeral as a fact....

I remember when he became that he was elected president that day he asked me to come and be with the family.

And I told him, no, I didn't want to be that political, no matter whether he won or lost. I said, well, if you lose I'll come over and have prayer with you....

Oh his remark about Jews:

"Absolutely. I told the Jewish leaders in Cincinnati that I had crawled (ph) -- I'd crawl to them and ask for forgiveness. And I would have. Because I just can't imagine -- I never held those views. I don't know what got into me. I guess it was just during the conversation as a young man I just said something I shouldn't have said, that I didn't believe."

I think it's important to remember Graham has been a spiritual adviser to both Republican and Democratic presidents. His mission and journey transcends politics and at the same time forces him headlong into it. He is, however, a sharp contrast to preachers (Falwell, Robertson, et al) who have moved directly into the political sphere. I actually think Graham is a better role model for evangelists than the rest of the bunch combined.

Posted by: Adam on June 28, 2005 12:20 PM

Most amusing about virtually every comment on this thread is how little true theological or political knowledge is employed. Why bother with fact when emotional tripe is more easily employed?

If anyone understood the roots of Graham's theology, and likewise, the opportunism of politicians, this entire thread would be recognized for what it is--babble.

Some folks once built a tower to such stuff.

I confess atheists amuse me, though, simply because they profess to know so much about Someone they do not believe even exists.

Makes perfect sense., doesn't it?


Posted by: jb on June 29, 2005 02:47 AM
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