Gut Rumbles

June 06, 2005

i am surprised

I've checked a lot of blogs today, and almost NO ONE has mentioned this date in history. I know it happened a long time ago, and too many people are busy talking on cell phones, or worrying about what Brittany or Oprah has to say next to pay any attention to history, but I didn't forget.

This was a day that changed the world.


Blame government schools and self-absorbed parents for this.

Posted by: Ralph Gizzip on June 6, 2005 06:59 PM

Stephen Ambrose got alot of material to make a career writing military history?

If you mean D-Day, it is sort of overrated from a historical perspective. Germany was well on the way to defeat already. D-Day just speeded it up a few months.

Posted by: Dave on June 6, 2005 07:16 PM

Yes, I did remember. I had a blog ready, but decided not to post it. - just felt too melancholy to put it up. Still getting over Memorial Day. Methinks I take these things too serioiusly.

Posted by: Indigo on June 6, 2005 07:22 PM

Fucking Ada, Rob. My old man chuted in with the 82nd Airborne. Just got his lieutenant bars. If I was blogging I'd a mentioned it. Thanks, brother. He always told me they had no clue, just move on, and shoot anything you see. Thanks for remembering.

Posted by: Velociman on June 6, 2005 07:34 PM

Dave, you are full of shit. How old are you, anyway? I'll bet good money that you are a young-ass punk who can't find his ass with both hands.

D-Day was "over-rated?" Fuck you.

Posted by: Acidman on June 6, 2005 07:44 PM

Over at Murdocs place, I found this this morning:

It pretty much sums up how the MSM pukes would report it today.

Posted by: James Hooker on June 6, 2005 07:46 PM

Daily Pundit has a good piece about D DAY and Ernie Pyle

Posted by: GUYK on June 6, 2005 08:48 PM

I did mention it.

It's the only post you'll see on MY blog today.

Of course, I have a reason. Pop went in at D+3 with the 3rd ID, then strolled across Europe, seeing the sights and conversing with respect with the natives, aided by his M1, his 1911A1, and phrase books for English-French and English-German.

Pop is 82 now, and delights in driving his MiniCooper just as hard as it'll go.

Every year, at the anniversary of D+3, I'll call him up and say "Thanks, Pop."

He gets grouchy and tells me to knock it off and get real.

That's my Pop, and that's the way it is.

Posted by: Ward Gerlach on June 6, 2005 09:35 PM

Not to downplay what happened 61 years ago today, but we oughta be thankful as fuck that Russia was on the other side of Deutschland and at the time had an eye for pushing all the way to Berlin no matter the cost, otherwise we would have faced a MUCH more formidable enemy when we decided to blitz through France and into the Fatherland.

Hell, thank the Germans for engaging in a two-front war then, just like they had done before.

Posted by: JG22 on June 6, 2005 09:42 PM

Anyone who calls Dday overrated is an asshat.

D-day was a major turning point in the war. Up til then Germany had been on the offensive, now they were on defense. You don't win wars on defense.

I didn't mention it on my blog, mainly because I couldn't do it justice. I let more skilled writers do it.

Posted by: Alli on June 6, 2005 09:43 PM

Actually, if I recall, Stalingrad was the major turning point of the war. Remember that the Germans had been roughly twenty miles away from Moscow at one point, ready to conquer the city, and, in addition to inflicting millions of deaths upon the people of Russia, had conquered a substantial portion of it. It was the Russian push towards Berlin that really broke the back of Nazi Germany and set them on a course towards utter doom. The American invasion in the west made things even harder for the Germans, never mind the fact that they were already fucked up in the east and North Africa.

Posted by: JG22 on June 6, 2005 09:56 PM

Okay, Alli, you said "a" major turning point. Sorry for missing that.

Posted by: JG22 on June 6, 2005 09:59 PM

There can never be one single thing that causes a war to change tides.

Posted by: Alli on June 6, 2005 10:05 PM

...but there are some things that cause the change more than others.

What can I say, I'm thankful to the American men that fought against an evil that threatened to engulf half the world, and countless Russians were probably grateful that the US and England joined the offensive, our combined efforts ending the whole thing sooner, probably saving several hundred-thousand lives as well.

Posted by: JG22 on June 6, 2005 10:32 PM

Put a link to this on my blog.
Thank you,

Posted by: GrampaPinhead on June 6, 2005 10:49 PM

To all of you people who want to downplay the signifigance of the Allied effort on D-day vis the Russian front. Don't ever forget. There was an already existing front in Italy at the time. And much more importantly, there was an entire other war going on over in the pacific.

Posted by: Roy on June 6, 2005 11:30 PM

I don't mean to downplay the significance of our involvement, just to remind people that hey, those dispised commie mongrelized Ruskie motherfucks were instrumental in bringing Germany to its knees, and incured more casualties than any of the other nations combined.

D-Day's significance in relation to the entire war in Europe is almost up there with Stalingrad, in my estimation. No disrespect intended, especially since I've got a Granddad-in-law that saw action all over Europe and North Africa, has a bronze star and a few other medals; I have more respect for him than almost anyone else I've ever met.

And no, this post is not me caving to peer pressure; these are my honest thoughts.

Posted by: JG22 on June 6, 2005 11:44 PM

I guess we should thank Hitler for double crossing the Germans!

Posted by: ken on June 6, 2005 11:44 PM

ROTFLMAO We should thank Hitler for double crossign the Russians!

Posted by: ken on June 6, 2005 11:45 PM

...Just to give a little more perspective.

I am not trying to belittle the Russian effort. They fought a bitter struggle with the Nazi's and paid for it with over 20 million lives. However, they fought on one front throughout the war - their western front. The anglo-alliance fought on many fronts simultaneously. On D-day alone the western allies were...

- Island hopping through the central pacific toward Tokyo.
- Surging up from the south pacific to retake the Philipines, which would entail an amphibious assault just a few months later that would eclipse Normandy.
- Marching east on the Burmese front from India to retake Singapore and southeast asia.
- Assisting the Chinese with volunteers and materiel.
- Moving up the boot of Italy, having already come via the conquest of north africa and the invasion and conquest of Sicily.
- Engaging in ongoing submarine warfare in the pacific and antisubmarine warfare in the atlantic.
- Engaging in a strategic air campaign in two theatres encompassing thousands of aircraft and tens of thousands of aircrewmen.
- Engaging in naval operations that girded the globe. (The russian navy operated mostly in the Baltic sea when it could operate at all..)

The anglo-alliance consisted of the US, UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand.

There were, of course, other allies. But these were the most significant.

- And I almost forgot... All of the above while also running nonstop convoys through the northern wastes to Murmansk in order to help keep the red army supplied.

Your welcome

Posted by: Roy on June 6, 2005 11:59 PM

You're right! Thanks for reminding me that I missed out on something when I didn't blog earlier today...I have rectified that problem!

Posted by: Wendi on June 7, 2005 12:28 AM

I'd like to weigh in with a big "fuck dave", lest any of you forget his treachery.

Thanks to all who served, I tear up every time i see those pictures of the military cemetary on the beaches.

Posted by: Heath on June 7, 2005 12:58 AM


And Prescott Bush, father of Geo I and the present occupant of the White Fortress hiding out from incoming Cessnas . . .

Ole Grandpa Bush financed Adolph Hitler.

Damn! Just like the Bushes using the UN they despise to wage war in Iraq bit a few posts ago, this is another one of those inconvenient facts.

Pogo got it. Few others do.

When one drops political labels and affiliations, drops slogans and bullshit one-liners, and chooses instead to be free instead of attached in one way or another to government in whatever form (which is supposed to be our servant), then one gains a glimpse into the meaning of freedom.

The British once did us a favor and burned the White House. They did us a favor we did not realize. If only they had torched the congressional halls as well. Sigh.

A pity.

Posted by: jb on June 7, 2005 01:16 AM

I spent Memorial Day with an 87 year old in-law that was badly wounded there and received the bronze star for his bravery in battle. He and men like my own dad served with tremendous courage back then so that we could have our holiday cook-outs and enjoy all of our freedoms today. It is also these same kinda men that have been through it all that know how truly destructive and damaging war is and will tell you straight up how it could and should be avoided at all costs. Anyone that thinks otherwise is usually someone that avoided serving in war themselves while bragging about how patriotic they are and how tough and brave they WOULD HAVE been in action if they had been there.

Posted by: PJ on June 7, 2005 02:21 AM

Well, I see we have had today's selective twisted history lesson from JB. Prescott Bush did business with business in Germany some of which supported Hitler. That's the truth.

He forgot to mention that George H.W. Bush was a Naval Aviator in WW2. That would not further his agenda.

He probably doesn't realize, or chooses to forget, that America's hero Charles Lindberg, the Lone Eagle, traveled the length and breadth of America making speeches supporting Hitler and the Nazi movement.

He may or may not realize that the only reason the U.S. did not enter the war sooner was due to the large population of German immigrants and the descendants of German immigrants who opposed the idea and suppored Germany, right or wrong.

Franklin Roosevelt knew this and got just as close to the line of war as he could get.

It's certainly perverse to use a D-Day post for further Bush bashing, but that's JB for ya. He's only got one string on that banjo.


Allen over at BMEWS has a D-Day rememberance from the guys who survived.

Posted by: StinKerr on June 7, 2005 07:23 AM


What exactly do you mean by "War should be avoided at all costs?"

Do you mean pacificism and surrender? Do you mean we should have have left Europe to its fate?

What exactly is worth fighting for? No disrespect, but WTF do think is worth protecting?

Posted by: Ed on June 7, 2005 08:05 AM

Everybody was too busy shooting cats to remember it was D-Day?

Posted by: assrot on June 7, 2005 08:41 AM

I remembered. On June 6, 1944 my father, an American airman, was sitting in a Nazi prison camp. If the Western Allies had not invaded and had allowed the Russians to fight the land war, I doubt he would have made it home. He probably would have been carried to Siberia as some American prisoners were during Korea.

Posted by: Juan Paxety on June 7, 2005 09:11 AM

Sorry, but even Stalin thought DDay was the turning point in the war. Operation Overlord was a massive undertaking done in an atmosphere of secrecy unprecedented. It would never work today, because the MSM would have to get the scoop.

Read Stephen Ambrose's D Day for an excellent history.

Oh Fuck it, no one cares about this shit anymore...

Posted by: hoosierboy on June 7, 2005 09:37 AM

Bull-Shit, Hoosierboy. Plenty of people care.

If not for the success of the invasion on D-Day, WWII would have dragged on much longer. And that was a war we absolutely had to win at all costs.

Most people alive today don't have any first-hand experience of our nation at war in a fight with an unequivocally evil nation-state. That's a fight for national survival. Had the Axis won that war, this world would be a very different and much more unpleasant place - but I wouldn't know about it, because all of my family would have been murdered. As many were.

Posted by: Elisson on June 7, 2005 10:19 AM

Posted by: not-troll beth on June 7, 2005 10:30 AM

Where are you this morning Rob? Did JONI come over and drag you out back and shoot you?

Posted by: James Hooker on June 7, 2005 11:13 AM

Probably sleeping one off. Maybe the cat got his tongue. :-)

Posted by: assrot on June 7, 2005 12:59 PM

I, for one, wish Hitler had knocked off Stalin before we knocked him off.

Posted by: Brett on June 7, 2005 01:27 PM

Blackfive had a good post on D-Day yesterday.

Posted by: howard on June 7, 2005 01:27 PM

ooofah JB.....

Other than colonial tyranny, buggery, rugby and soccer fan violence, and general cheesiness, at what have the Brits excelled?

Certainly not dentistry.

English history of 20th century is merely a laundry list of the US bailing out their jolly ole bums in one way or another....

We opened the century saving them from the Kaiser, and despite the constant interference of Field Marshall Montgomery, we spent the middle of the century saving them from the Nazi's.

AND....A thousand years of history have yet to give the Brits the know-how to create a loo that works properly. ooofah!

British food is an assortment of fried fish, liver, kidneys, and any other meat product that in America wouldn't make it off the slaughterhouse floor.

For all their pomp and circumstance.. and all of the centuries they've been a nation... the British have managed to accomplish very little.

Why don't they go back to doing what they do best, that is, spending their energies discussing whether Charles or Wills should be the next Queen of England.....

Posted by: Ruth on June 7, 2005 02:24 PM

No I mean forget trying to set these moonbats right. They hate America and all of its success. i give up trying to inform people who are too ignorant to see the truth.

Posted by: hoosierboy on June 7, 2005 02:30 PM

While it is true that Russia carried most of the land war against Germany, it is also true that Germany possibly *could* have won World War II. In the final stages of the war, Germany's jet fighters would have swept the Allies planes out of the skies if they would have had enough fuel. And given more time, Germany could have developed the atomic bomb before we did, and you know for sure they would have used it against London, etc.

The pity is that WWII had to be fought in Europe at all. If only appeasers like Neville Chamberlain would have stopped Hitler in the 1930s before Hitler (illegally) built up his military... Do any of you remember that after WWI that Germany was only allowed a 100,000 "police force" army, and was not allowed to have submarines, tanks, or military aircraft? But of course he violated those terms, much like Saddam was violating his "probation" before Gulf War II.

Posted by: Garry K on June 7, 2005 02:34 PM

Ahh, but Ruth, the Brits gave us the jolly sport o cricket from which baseball probably came from. And how about Rugby? And, beside all of that the English gave us a language that is one of the hardest in the world to learn!

The best thing that ever came from the Brits is their politeness in crowds. Try forming a line for an event on the continent, especially Germany. Its assholes and elbows to see who gets in the door first! See, standing in line at a theater or such is an old English tradition. I thabnk them for that and the balls of steel on Marge Thacher.

Posted by: GUYK on June 7, 2005 02:40 PM

I am with you on Maggie (but other than that, you can have 'em)

Posted by: Ruth on June 7, 2005 02:53 PM

Anybody heard from Rob today? It's not like him to go this long without posting.


Posted by: Lamont Cranston on June 7, 2005 03:06 PM

Acidman is probably out at Catfish's house shooting at alligators and cats.

Posted by: Alaska Kim on June 7, 2005 03:21 PM

Don't rekon JONI removed his balls with a plastic fork do you? Hell, maybe he started thinking about all those sweet kittys and gave up blogging again.

.........reaching for my .22

Posted by: James Hooker on June 7, 2005 03:46 PM

....AND ducking......

Posted by: James Hooker on June 7, 2005 03:47 PM

GUYK wrote: But, be aware, the time is rapidly approaching when it ( the war) will affect you and I and everyone else in the country.

There is great truth to those words. War has become a disease, so toxic that it creates lethal issues while feeding on peoples's ignorance. And, the missuse of Religion through the Jihad will bring unimaginable changes, unimaginable horror.

Posted by: Bonita on June 7, 2005 05:59 PM

Bonita, if I may be so blunt....what the hell are you talking about?

Posted by: Ruth on June 7, 2005 07:05 PM

Ruth, just what I said - we are in for one hell of a bad trip.

Posted by: Bonita on June 7, 2005 08:18 PM

Trip? I aint going anywhere Bonita....and furthermore, if I cant see the PROBLEM from my POOL, then as far as I'm concerned, there is NO problem.

So.....take your trip without me, and dont forget my postcard....

Posted by: Ruth on June 7, 2005 08:39 PM

Ah hell, I might as well join in:

Stock up on ammo, everyone. If you don't have a gun, get one, start placing piles of sandbags all around your house, and make sure the car has a full tank in case you need to make a run for it.

Posted by: JG22 on June 8, 2005 04:38 PM
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