Gut Rumbles

July 02, 2003

rough justice?

How about NO JUSTICE WHATSOEVER? I believe that I have mentioned before that people in Canada have frozen brains. read this and tell me I'm wrong.

Saini and friend Ranjit Singh Bassi were sleeping at the convenience store on Sunday night when a pair of thieves pulled up in a van stolen from Montreal.

One broke in through the front door using a crowbar and wheeled in two large garbage containers to haul cigarettes to the truck.

Saini and Bassi, who were in the storage room, surprised the thieves. One, armed with a knife, was scared away by Bassi.

Saini said the other thief took a swipe at him with the crowbar. Saini, armed with an aluminum baseball bat, swung back.

The 45-year-old suspect suffered head, neck and leg injuries, but was well enough to be arraigned Monday on multiple charges including breaking and entering, parole violation, receiving stolen goods and possession of burglary tools.

What did the police do when they finally arrived at the scene of the crime? They arrested the STORE OWNER, of course, and charged him with "assault with a weapon and aggravated assault."

My aching balls. If MY store were robbed three times in a month and I was forced to SLEEP in it to defend my property, you can bet your sweet ass that I would be "aggravated" the next time someone broke in. And you can also bet your sweet ass that I would "assault" the thieves.

But I live in the Southern United States, not Canada. I would have a firearm, not a baseball bat, and the thief might have "head, neck and leg" injuries afterward, but his injuries would be far too fatal for him to appear in court. And I don't believe that his partner would have gotten away, either.

And I would NOT have been charged with anything except good citizenship.

That's what I like about the South. And that's one of the MANY things I don't like about Canada.


I'm not surprised this guy did what he did. Does the law need looked at if what this guy did was wrong? I wonder if the owner took a swipe at a robber when the shop was open for business would he still be arrested for assault? I hope not, unlesshe wasn't personally threatened.
It's the shooting bit I really don't get. Maybe its being from UK or something but I cannot see how any robber can be shot just for robbing unless he trties to harm or kill a person. I just can't see the death sentence as a suitable punishment for robbery.

Posted by: Mark McMonagle on July 2, 2003 06:04 PM

If the guy is waving a crowbar at me, he has a DEADLY WEAPON in his hands. I don't want that steel bar hitting my head. I believe that I am totally with my rights to let my Remington 12-gauge explain the error of his ways to him.

I cannot believe Great Britain has such a pussy mindset where people say, "Let the thief rob you! Don't HURT him!"

Fuck that.

Posted by: Acidman on July 2, 2003 06:14 PM

I'll never understand how some people think it's perfectly natural to stand by while someone takes your property, so long as nobody gets hurt. I pity the poor bastard who decides to break into my home or business one day, as they'll be getting twelve rounds of Federal's finest .45's for their trouble.

Posted by: Mr. Lion on July 2, 2003 06:20 PM

Mark, a bunch of thugs come along and take away from him what he's worked 19-hour days, seven days a week, to build up from fucking nothing, and you want to say he hasn't been hurt?

Posted by: McGehee on July 2, 2003 07:13 PM

The law of the jungle is NO LAW! When you're dealing with people like that, you better be willing to go jungle with them. Just bring bigger guns.

That's MY humble opinion.

Posted by: Acidman on July 2, 2003 07:18 PM


Mark, someone so unscrupulous as to take what is not theirs is not to be trusted in their actions. In such situations, the extent of their lack of morality is unknown. Who's to say they AREN'T a murderer or rapist?

That being said, if somebody breaks into my home, I take that as a potential assault on the my safety and that of and my loved ones. FUCK 'em...they need to just go on and wear a shirt with a target emblazoned across the torso, 'cause that's where I'm aimin'.

Posted by: Jett on July 2, 2003 07:20 PM

When typing furiously, one must remember to proof before hitting publish so as not to look like a raving fucknoodle.

I BELIEVE I meant , "I take that as a potential assault on my safety and that of my loved ones."

Posted by: Jett on July 2, 2003 07:29 PM

What do you expect from a nation that expects, no demands that the goverment takes care of its population?

Posted by: lip on July 2, 2003 07:32 PM

A raving fucknoodle? rotflmao
I gotta remember that one...

Posted by: stevie on July 2, 2003 09:40 PM

Be ye criminal, congressman or clergy...
Some things never change, things like right and wrong,up and down...mine and yours. To my knowledge I've never killed anyone, but I know I could if they were trying to harm me or mine.

Posted by: bob in the hills on July 2, 2003 10:09 PM


You have a fundamental lack of understanding regarding why the store owner was charged. It's called "separation of powers".... something you inbred rednecks down south know nothing about.

Quick lesson on the Criminal Code of Canada: The police charge everyone. The Crown Attorney (similar to your District Attorney) makes the decision to proceed to trial.

In other words, the police charge people, the CA decides to pursue the charges, juries decide the case, and judges make rulings. No one oversteps their authority and the legal system works.

As for your gun, you wouldn't need it up here as your odds of being a crime victim are about as low as the average cracker's IQ... really, really low.

Not needing a gun because it's peaceful... novel concept, eh?

Despite the fact you lean so far to the right that you walk at a 60 degree angle, I still like reading your stuff. I figure if you can dish it out, then you can take it.

Posted by: The Kid on July 3, 2003 05:04 AM

Kid: Interesting take on the happy little socialist utopia up there.

Not needing a gun because it's peaceful? Bullshit. The first time I visited Toronto, I witnessed a drive-by shooting on younge street less than an hour after getting off the plane. Apparently, the criminals up there still think they need guns.

Then, when visiting Vancouver, my rental car was broken into twice in two entirely seperate goddamn areas. I've had more runins with crime in Canada than I have in the worst neighborhoods in New York, for christsake.

Take your moral superiority and cram it up your ass.

Posted by: Mr. Lion on July 3, 2003 02:02 PM

Mr. Lion:

Socialist utopia... far from it on both counts.

Peaceful up here... you betcha. Here's some statistics for your contemplation...

Murder Rate in Canada in 2001: 1.8 per 100,000
Murder Rate in the U.S. in 2001: 5.6 per 100,000

Source of Data:
Canada -
U.S. -

Admittedly, there's still violent crime but as the numbers demonstrate, there's far less up here than down there. Both Vancouver and Toronto have the same issues that all other big cities in North America experience.

As for your experiences with crime up here, that's one person's individual experience. I lived in a large city in the U.S. for five years. My car was stolen three times and my house robbed four times despite spending tons of cash on security systems and other theft prevention schemes. During the past five years up here, nothing... zip.... nada.

Do I pay higher taxes? Hell yes. Am I willing to pay it for peace and order? Damn right I am.

Are we morally superior? Nope. Are we statistically superior? At least on one point we are.... unless you regard having a higher murder rate a good thing.

As for cramming "moral superiority" up my ass... I'll be the stereotypical polite Canadian... by all means, you go first, Mr. Lion.

Posted by: The Kid on July 4, 2003 06:32 AM

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
--Dr. Benjamin Franklin, the only American patriot to sign both the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution

Posted by: McGehee on July 4, 2003 10:01 AM


Nice quote from truly a great and wise man. However, I'm not exactly sure ownership of a handgun is an "essential" liberty like... say... freedom of speech or freedom of religion.

As for cranking out the quotes, here you go... Canada style...

"I am a Canadian, free to speak without fear, free to worship in my own way, free to stand for what I think right, free to oppose what I believe wrong, or free to choose those who shall govern my country. This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind."
--The Right Honourable John Diefenbaker (From the Canadian Bill of Rights, July 1, 1960.)

We shall be Canadians first, foremost, and always, and our policies will be decided in Canada and not dictated by any other country.
--The Right Honourable John G. Diefenbaker

Our hopes are high. Our faith in the people is great. Our courage is strong. And our dreams for this beautiful country will never die.
--The Right Honourable Pierre Elliott Trudeau

Americans should never underestimate the constant pressure on Canada which the mere presence of the United States has produced. We're different people from you and we're different people because of you. Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is effected by every twitch and grunt. It should not therefore be expected that this kind of nation, this Canada, should project itself as a mirror image of the United States.
--The Right Honourable Pierre Elliott Trudeau

and finally...

God Bless America, but God help Canada to put up with them!
--Anonymous (sometimes attributed to Trudeau)

Posted by: The Kid on July 4, 2003 03:11 PM

And yes.... I forgot....

Happy Independence Day. You fought for it, you died for it, and that is something that should be remembered and celebrated.

Posted by: The Kid on July 4, 2003 03:14 PM

However, I'm not exactly sure ownership of a handgun is an "essential" liberty like... say... freedom of speech or freedom of religion.

Your certainty would be appreciated but isn't required. The guys who put our country together way back when figured it was important enough to include it right along with those others.

Seems they weren't prone to that "it could never happen here" blindside WRT domestic tyranny. Can't imagine why that would be...

Posted by: McGehee on July 4, 2003 06:35 PM

Store broken into THREE TIMES in a month. Crime-free Canada, my ass.

Posted by: Acidman on July 5, 2003 07:44 AM

Didn't say crime free, Acidman... but a helluva lot LESS crime than down where you're at. Read the statistics. You can bet that ass of yours on those numbers any day of the week.

Next batter please.

Posted by: The Kid on July 5, 2003 06:16 PM

There is really no valid way to compare the United States and Canada vis-a-vie crime. The two countries are just too different. There are probably many factors that may cause a higher crime rate in the United States, but one thing is certain, the cause is not guns. Even Michael Moore admits this in "Bowling for Columbine". For one reason or another, the United States has always been more violent, and for most of both countries histories, have had similar rates of gun ownership.
A famous study compared the crime rates of Seattle and Vancouver and Seattle had the higher rate, but once the demographic differences between the two cities was taken into account, the crime rate was shown to be virtually the same among similar populations in the two cities.

Posted by: Yosemite Sam on July 7, 2003 09:24 AM

I’m Canadian and have been living in the US for the last few years. I’ll just say that “the kid’s” response is – sadly -- very typical of the arrogant liberal left that plagues mainstream Canadian society today. Keeps reminding me why I left that country.

As for the crime statistics, it’s true that the US’s murder rate is higher than Canada’s, but in terms of other crime statistics, everything else is virtually the same between the two countries. If anything, the US has a lower overall crime rate. Just check out the International Crime Survey’s webpage -- it’s considered the best resource for comparing international crime statistics.

One thing comparing the murder rate between the two countries -- and this is something my cousin told me and he works for the Edmonton Police Department – is that crime, especially murder, is more random in Canada compared to the US. Sure, the US has more murders per capita, but they are mostly among those who live a certain lifestyle and are far more likely to be drug related.

Personally, I have been mugged twice in Canada and had my car broken into three times. And it’s not like I hung out with the wrong crowd either. Never had anything happen to me in the US (“nothing... zip.... nada”). Am I just unlucky in Canada and lucky in the US? Maybe. But I know a lot more people who have been victims of crime in Canada than in the US. So please spare the civil, “safe” society gambit.

As for ownership of a handgun, Switzerland has pretty liberal firearm laws and they have one of the lowest murder rates of any industrialized country -- a hell of a lot lower than even Canada’s. Someone explain that to me.

Posted by: SL on July 7, 2003 04:43 PM
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