Gut Rumbles

August 22, 2005


Here's what I learned from a US Army sponsored training class. You want to teach somebody a skill? You explain it, then show them how to do it. You explain it AGAIN, then show them how to do it again.

After that, you have the trainee explain it to YOU and do it by himself. You make him do it over and over again until you are convinced that he knows what he's doing.

Then... you have him show it and explain it to somebody else while you watch. If your trainee can do that, you've got him (or her) ready to go.

Our public schools don't do that today. They should.


The problem with education lies with the FACT that liberals dominate it.

Posted by: gordon the magnificent on August 22, 2005 03:43 PM

Yeah, Rob. I haven't been in for twenty years, and it still amazes me when I go to do something they trained me to do that my hands seem to do it by themselves. Whether it is working with a map and a compass, breaking down a weapon, or cleaning the damn bathroom, you keep that shit for the rest of your life.

Posted by: Bane on August 22, 2005 04:39 PM

Yep. That's the key to learning which is alway based on prior knowledge and the prior knowledge has to come from somewhere! In the miltary academic instructor schools it is called a demonstration and peformance method of teaching. It is one of the most effective methods of instruction and damn sure the easiest to evaluate to see if the learning objective was accomplished. But, try to convince a teachers union to KISS

Posted by: GUYK on August 22, 2005 04:40 PM

As the Russians say: povtvoreniye--mat' ucheniye.

"Repetition is the mother of learning."

Posted by: Brett on August 22, 2005 04:59 PM

Aw... your so cute.

Never been in the Army yet talk about military 'sponsored' classes. Never been a teacher, yet talk about public schools.

Clearly knowledge is not an impediment to your constant spewing of verbal diarrhea.

(Sam, I'm not hearing you yet? What's it take to get banned around here, anyway?)

Posted by: Zappatista on August 22, 2005 05:36 PM

Zapp gives us an example of what I call "the bind of the mind."

On the one hand, unless one have been personally involved in an activity, one's opinion about it is worthless.

On the other hand, if one has been personally involved in an activity, one is too close to it for objectivity and one's opinion is hardly worthwhile.

Choose your trope for the particular position one intends to trash.

Rhetoric is the foe of reason. Darned Greeks.

Posted by: Brett on August 22, 2005 05:46 PM

I, Brett, am an asshole, and according to Zapp's standards, therefore qualified to talk about him.

Posted by: Bane on August 22, 2005 06:01 PM

Aw... your so cute.

“You’re” is always a contraction of “you are.” If you’ve written “you’re,” try substituting “you are.” If it doesn’t work, the word you want is “your.” Your writing will improve if you’re careful about this.

Posted by: Yogimus on August 22, 2005 06:36 PM

I recently had all of my teeth pulled due to a severe case of herpies. Now with my falsies out, I can suck a MEAN dick, ya hear?

Chablis, your a hot bitch. I want your bod. This ain't rocket science and I'm one stupid person to try and make it sound that way.

Posted by: Zappaista on August 22, 2005 07:19 PM

Man, I'm setting here running this crap through proxies thinking you were banning based on IP.

You guys are right, I really ain't that bright. I never thought that changing a letter in my 'name' would be enough.

Posted by: Okay, I'm the idiot on August 22, 2005 07:21 PM

My son goes to public school (started 2nd grade today). We PAYED a private tutor for lessons all summer. He can read better than his 11&12 year old cousins now. If that doesn't say something then you are deaf.

Or am I off topic?

Posted by: gravdigr on August 22, 2005 08:13 PM

Clearly knowledge is not an impediment to your constant spewing of verbal diarrhea.

Well, if there's an authority on spewing verbal diarrhea, it'd be Zapphole.

Posted by: gordon the magnificent on August 22, 2005 08:24 PM

Zappaista is back again, and lends us his wisdom.
"Clearly knowledge is not an impediment to your constant spewing of verbal diarrhea."

But, us less educated and less erudite types WANT to know, Zap.
When will you respond to my previous clear clarion call to enlighten us on why you chose your nom de plume ?

Your fans are breathlessly awaiting whatever justification you might judiciously jury-rig.

Posted by: Dan Pursel on August 22, 2005 08:45 PM

As a C- high school student was amazed at my 80+ averages in Navy 'A' school electroncs. All done by solid repetiton, and writing the answers. Since then I have been at the top of every class I attended.

Posted by: bottlestop on August 22, 2005 10:21 PM

Frank Zappa is a musician, and a good, perhaps excellent, one if you like that particular genre.

Most applicable here is a medium-famous quote from him: "In the fight between you and the world, back the world."

"Zappaista" seems to have bought tickets on the wrong horse.


Posted by: Ric Locke on August 23, 2005 12:04 AM

Got it right Ric Locke... Test the fucking teachers! Right now , teachers, the ones that teach our kids are good as turtle shit....Murry

Posted by: Murry on August 23, 2005 01:51 AM

Spot on. Acidman,
I once taught a basic first aid course to a bunch of people using the tried and true military method of "EDI" (explain, demonstrate, imitate)
I was allowed five hours to teach all the principles to the level needed, and did it all in three.
Spent the extra two hours in practice and confirming.
The sponsor of the training was very impressed, and I suggested he talk to the military about their methods of training with a view to adopting them nationally.

Posted by: Henry Blowfly on August 23, 2005 01:59 AM

Why is Crappatista such a pussy? Compared to those, like Acidman, who let it all hang out for everyone to see, trolls like you who spew their shit under cover of anonymity and proxy servers are a poor example of credibility.

In other words, you don’t matter, Crappatista. You’re just another blithering idiot that we all laugh at, poke sticks at, and whose lunch money we took when you were wallowing through Jr. highschool.

Is that what it is with you, Crappatista? Were you one of those pussies that hated the fact that everyone hated you? Is this cowardly approach you take the only way you are able to somehow come to terms that you most likely grew up a loser and you still are a loser? Why is it that you present a visual image of a fat, greasy shirt-full of pan drippings surrounded by crusty pizza boxes full of crusty remnants of yesterday’s supper, half-full coke cans, and crunchy tissues as a result of scouring kiddie porn sites? You probably over-eat as compensation for the many times you went hungry after your lunch money was forcibly taken from you after you were hung on a coat rack.

You think you get one over occasionally with your tepid attempts at pseudo-intellectuality but I’m thinking that, like all cowards, you must feel a slight sense of shame because when you look back on it you realize you could never allow yourself to quite make it to the point where you could muster up the balls to let it all hang out by throwing away your anonymity. Not unlike how you must feel when you glance over at your unused treadmill while you snarf one more pizza and put on a few more pounds whilst catching an occasional rank aroma from yesterday’s dried spew that’s still there because you neglected to muster the self worth to even manage a shower—again. Another analogy might be when your lunch money was ripped from your hand, you could never suck it up to try and prevent it. You just let it happen because you were afraid. It must still haunt you.

You’re just one more troll that crawled out of a fuck-puddle, whose bullshit people with a higher sense of character look upon in vicarious shame and befuddled amusement.

The only reason I’m taking the time to write this is because I’m feeling particularly vicious and you’re just too good to pass up.

Posted by: Daniel Medley on August 23, 2005 02:59 AM

You can't see or hear it, but I'm giving you a standing ovation, Dan.

God, I love it!

That was beautiful.

Posted by: Stevie on August 23, 2005 07:29 AM

It's true...but here's the deal...why is it all falling on the schools? If the kids do their homework and it's supervised, then they get the repetition right there.

If the kid can't get the homework right, then it's the parent's job to help them or give them ideas on where they can get help. (Geometry is a bit beyond me after 20 years, eh?) Kids don't ask for the help these days, either. I have never had a teacher turn any kid of mine down that requested extra help.

I see the solution coming from the parents AND the schools.

But, maybe that's my military training coming out. Seems like common sense, though.

Posted by: Kelly on August 23, 2005 09:14 AM

Ric Locke, I appreciate your comment, but I think you've got the wrong "Zap".
The only quarrel I ever had with Frank Z. was naming his daughter "Moonbat". Sorry, Freudian slip, I meant "Moon Unit".

I've challenged "our" Zap to define his name.
I think it is because he supports these fine folks:

"The Zappatista Community in the Lancandon Jungle"
human rights observers report
"...they have a vision of a bigger picture. They are aware that they are oppressed and they are aware of who their oppressors are- transnational corporations, neoliberalism, and globalization."

Zap 'ol buddy, when are you going to clear this up ?
Great minds NEED to move on. My colonoscopy preparation awaits.

Posted by: Dan Pursel on August 23, 2005 10:35 AM

Daniel, I long since stopped caring about the asinine behaviour of the homophobic jocks I schooled with. I am above caring what you and your type think, just sad that you don't recognise intellectual superiority when you see it.

Posted by: Zappatista on August 23, 2005 10:39 AM

Kelly has it right that a lot of educations problem is lack of parent involvment, resposibility or intellectual ability.

Damn Acidman, what you say about military training is true. Now that you have posted it, all the Liberal asswipe trolls you have reading your site know what works. These liberal fuckers may try to push the Kennedy/Kerry types to force the military to change their teaching methods to the gumamint mandated "outcum based" type that has failed so successfully for them in the public sector.

Posted by: TomR on August 23, 2005 10:54 AM

I think if you all knew what I had to endure as a child, you'd be more understanding to why I am, what I am.

See, as a child, my drunken mother would assrape my dirty asshole with a strap-on in front of all her friends.

I never got over the humilation.

Posted by: Zappatista on August 23, 2005 10:56 AM

"Nothing l33t"

Okay, you're an idiot. I stop reading your posts when I see preteen h4x0r drivel such as that. Get a life, and stop trolling.

Ok, I couldn't resist:
"just sad that you don't recognise intellectual superiority when you see it"

Refer to my comments on your statement above...

Acidman, good post/point; and the Rott had a "side discussion" on this earlier. Education has gotten way too complicated to be effective.

Whip out a second grade spelling book from the late 1800's and a recent one, and see what I'm talking about.

Posted by: LC Corey on August 23, 2005 11:30 AM

Fuck you, assholes. You don’t know what I had to endure as a child; the coat racks, being stuffed in lockers. You don’t know what it was like and for you to go there is abject cruelty. I didn’t go through years of therapy to put up with this.

Posted by: Zappatista on August 23, 2005 12:09 PM

Then... go away, Zap. PERSONALLY, I believe that spending six years of my life training people to operate in a chemical plant makes me a TEACHER.

You NEED to be stuffed in a fucking locker. Asshole.

The fact that I never served in the military doesn't change the fact that military trainers taught me a lot.

What's your problem with that?

Posted by: Acidman on August 23, 2005 12:18 PM

How can you mock my ass-rapings?

Posted by: Zappatista on August 23, 2005 12:27 PM

Kelly, thank you for voicing my own opinion on the subject.

Rob, Although you never experienced the military, it does not imply that you do not have the ability to observe and conclude a process that works. Isn't that how we all developy and implement coping skills in life?

As for the rest of this bullshit commentary.......

Zap-You're dead to me.

Posted by: Susie T on August 23, 2005 12:50 PM

I'm dead to you? Those words echo nothing but the sentiments I felt to the world as a child.

I was dead to the world.

My own mother would fuck my dirty asshole with a strap-on. How'd you feel, were you me?

And I REALLY want to suck your cock. I swallow, too.

Posted by: Zappatista on August 23, 2005 01:29 PM

Zap Says:

"See, as a child, my drunken mother would assrape my dirty asshole with a strap-on in front of all her friends."

BWAHAHAHAH! I will NEVER ban you! Now that you're letting the truth be told, you're better than ever! Thanks for the laugh Zap!!

I'm sorry you're mother did those things to you. OH MY! BWHAHAH!


C'mon, what else do ya got to say?????

Posted by: Sam on August 26, 2005 11:07 PM

I've been trying and trying to change IPs but I can't. This is the only one I have. I wish someone would ban me since I can't control what emerges from my keyboard. I've been letting everyone in on some of my dark past secrets.

Did I mention that I have a nasty, kinky relationship with my pug?

Posted by: Zappatista on August 26, 2005 11:13 PM
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