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July 29, 2005

this is environmental shit

I dealt with hyperventilating environmentalists for a long time at work. I made a logical conclusion after meeting such people. THESE ARE CULTISTS!!!! They don't usually know what they're talking about, and if I hear another one of them use the word "toxic" around me, I'm going to choke them like a chicken.

I was involved in handling a big PCB cleanup at work. That waste of manpower and money cost my company several million dollars. Somebody at the EPA had a massive brain-fart and decided that PCBs had to GO, although they didn't have then and STILL have no evidence that PCBs are TERRIBLE carcinogens. Like Ceaser, they just said, "make it so," and it was.

The environmentalists didn't like freon, either. We have several dead astonauts to show for that, but that's just a small price to pay for saving planet Earth.

See? PCB was the best electric coolant insulator ever invented. Getting rid of it cost billions of dollars and hundreds of HUMAN lives, but that's okay.

Freon replaced SO2 and Hydrogen gas as a coolant and it made refrigeration SAFE. But some dingbat discovered a "hole in his head in the ozone" and we banned that, too.

Don't even get me started on the number of people who die of malaria today (and the number is in the MILLIONS) because environmentalists don't like DDT.

My biggest complaint about environmentalist is the fact that they claim to "love" the planet, but they don't care how many people they kill.

Comments

Yes! You're aboslutely right! A cult! The EPA does seem like they've been diving in to the Jim Jones Guyana punch bowl.

I had a couple epa.gov peeps on my blog yesterday. I couldn't stop laughing over the idea of fogging up the glasses of EPA whackos.

;)

Posted by: blondage on July 29, 2005 11:49 AM

It would seem, with the death of traditional communism, that a lot of the communists became environmentalists. They can still attack capitalism by crying' "Havoc" about the environment.

Also, let's remember DDT. DDT is introduced, malaria deaths a reduced by great numbers. DDT is criticized in "Silent Spring" IIRC, and is pulled from the market based on half baked science. Malaria deaths rise....

Posted by: Joe B on July 29, 2005 12:02 PM

The environmentalists halted the start up of a new refinery in California over EPA issues, the owners eventually sold it to the Chinese at a huge loss, who dismantled it and moved it to China. We all know that foreigners are more "environmentally concious" than Americans, just ask any college professor.

Joe says it best with his statement :
"It would seem, with the death of traditional communism, that a lot of the communists became environmentalists. They can still attack capitalism by crying' "Havoc" about the environment."

Posted by: Jack on July 29, 2005 12:43 PM

Rule number one of men with IQs over the temperature of piss is : don't mess the nest.

What is so hard to understand? Assuming you have an IQ sufficient to grasp the concept.

That's what environmentalism is about. You want PCBs in your drinking water--mix up some for yourself.

You want freon in your atmosphere? Leak some----no wait. YOU DON'T OWN THE ATMOSPHERE!

Posted by: Tree Hugging Dirt Worshiper on July 29, 2005 01:37 PM

Much environmentalism is based on the false premise that people are not part of the environment; they're the cause of all of its problems.

Such people often seem to believe that "Bambi" was a documentary.

Posted by: Scott Crawford on July 29, 2005 01:54 PM

I don't want your farts in my air either, dipshit.

Freon was banned because Dupont wanted it banned. R-134a isn't such a radically different compound from R-12.

Posted by: skh on July 29, 2005 01:55 PM

Go read this and edumacate yourselves.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/947830/posts

Posted by: gravdigr on July 29, 2005 02:16 PM

Not all environmental news is worth ridicule A-man. Making fun of environmentalists may drive your stats up, just like the repeated posts about child abuse. But you're wrong to bash environmentalism. Somethings are more important than your ego.

In today's news:

The variety of species in the world's oceans has dropped by as much as 50 percent in the past 50 years, according to a paper published today in the journal Science.

A combination reasons including habitat destruction and climate change has narrowed the range of fish across the globe; diversity has declined precipitously--a recipe for ecological collapse and disaster.

The study identified five hot spots in the world that have a rich variety of species, two of them in U.S. waters including the east coast of Florida.

"These areas are really of global significance it's really important to protect them now, because 20 years from now they may not be there."

Posted by: Science on July 29, 2005 02:18 PM

Bejus! "Science," go heal yourself.

And what's this "don't mess with the nest" bullshit. We should still be squatting nekkid in caves?

I fart in your general direction.

Posted by: Acidman on July 29, 2005 02:37 PM

Here's a little tree-hugging science to go along with what SKH stated above...

Here are 4 facts to pull together along with 2 questions.

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Fact one: Freon R-12 was banned by the government because it was deemed to be detrimental to the ozone layer - specifically, it was deemed to be the prime cause of the enlargement of the ozone hole over Antarctica - the south pole.

Fact two: The weather systems of the northern and southern hemishpere's don't really mix all that much. They have seperate trade wind systems that move north and south with the seasons, but you never hear of a storm forming in the tropics of the South Atlantic which then moves into the North Atlantic and vice-versa.

Fact Three: The USA uses more flourocarbons than all of the rest of the world combined. Add the USA and Europe together and you've accounted for more than 90% of all the flourocarbons used in the entire world.

Fact four: - and this is the most important one - Flourocarbons are HEAVIER than air. Indeed, R-12 is over 4 TIMES as heavy as air. Don't believe me? Just go to... http://msds.dupont.com/msds/pdfs/EN/PEN_09004a2f800069d3.pdf
...and reference the msds right from the manufacturer itself. The vapor density of R-12 is 4.26 times that of air at 77 deg F. (At 77 deg F, R-12 is a gas.)

Now, here are the questions...

How does that "4 times heavier than air" substance get into the stratosphere?

Okay, assuming it gets there somehow, then why isn't that ozone hole over the USA, or Europe, or the North Pole instead of over the South pole - clear over on the opposite end of the planet from the population centers where 90% of the stuff is used?

The world wonders.

Oh... One more thing. The patent on R-12 - held by DuPont - expired back in the 1970's. The patent on the new stuff (R-134??) - also held by DuPont - doesn't expire for another 50 years.

Roy


Posted by: Roy on July 29, 2005 04:05 PM

There is a huge difference between trying to protect the enviorment and being a left wing environmentalist. I believe in taking my trash to the land fill, keeping monofilament out of the water-just kills fish and birds, and keeping fuel and oil spills in the water to a minimum. But I don't believe that stopping progress to save a one petered three eyed hopping worm is in the best interest of our species.

Posted by: GUYK on July 29, 2005 04:36 PM

There are over six billion humans on the earth and you could kill 5,999,000,000 of them and the human species would not be endangered in the least.

We only have one planet, fuck it up beyond repair and ALL life will soon cease.

I would rather err on the side of caution when it comes to the environment.

Posted by: bob on July 29, 2005 06:08 PM

The variety of species in the world's oceans has dropped by as much as 50 percent in the past 50 years, according to a paper published today in the journal Science.


Quick question: How do you make such a determination when the number of species in our oceans is unknown? Better yet, how do you say that with a straight face on 50 year old data? What data are you citing?

Posted by: Yogimus on July 29, 2005 06:33 PM

There are over six billion humans on the earth and you could kill 5,999,000,000 of them and the human species would not be endangered in the least.


How do you ask a human to be the last one to die for gaia?

Posted by: Yogimus on July 29, 2005 06:34 PM

Bob, you are an idiot. "I would rather err on the side of CAUTION when it comes to the environment."

It ain't CAUTION, dickweed. It's pure-assed superstition. Go ahead and dance with your druid priests.

Caution, my ass...

Posted by: Acidman on July 29, 2005 07:34 PM

All of the enviro whacko's still missed the point of your original post. The changes mandated by the nutty left killed the killed the crew of the space shuttle and endangered the current crew and they could give a spit less. Why has most of their wild dreams been proven incorrect only after we spent billions of tax dollars? Amazing that science is so inaccurate, or is it just overridden by fools.

Posted by: scrapiron on July 29, 2005 08:43 PM

It's not even that. There is no mechanism for freon to get into the upper atmosphere where it is supposedly doing all this horrid damage. None. It's heavier than the rest of the atmosphere, and anyway, all atmospheric mixing stops at the tropopause, well below where ozone forms in the first place.

Oh, did I say "forms"? Yes. Ozone is continually formed out of ordinary oxygen and sunlight. It is not a limited resource that can be destroyed by a smidgen of a chemical in the lower atmosphere.

Why don't we hear about the ozone hole over the Antarctic getting bigger? According to the pre-ban theorists, it was supposed to take decades for the freon to get up into the stratosphere, and hundreds of years before it stopped doing damage. The ban only happened a few years ago, and there is still plenty of freon being released into the atmosphere. It ought to be getting worse! But it's not!

Pure junk science! The enviro-wackos were taken in and used by a big chemical company who wanted a new patent monopoly on refrigerant.

Serves 'em right! But all of us suffer for their moronism.

Posted by: Desert Cat on July 29, 2005 10:38 PM

Yogimus:How do you ask a human to be the last one to die for gaia?Simple; you join ELF.

Posted by: Scott Crawford on July 30, 2005 12:13 AM

Damn! I got all my affairs in order when they said we're all gonna die from acid rain.

Posted by: Larry on July 31, 2005 11:10 PM
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