Gut Rumbles

July 04, 2005

short attention span

On Independence Day, I sometimes reflect on the struggles our nation has endured since July 4th, 1776. Many wars. Even a war among ourselves. Lots of military cemetaries and a lot of dead soldiers. Incredible sacrifice and bravery.

Was it worth it? In MY humble opinion, it was--- every bit of it. Some of our history is downright tragic, but we wouldn't be the greatest country in the world today without a few fuck-ups along the way. Kids grow up to be responsible adults the same way.

I liked this post, but it depressed me when I read it. How many World War II veterans do YOU know? How many people who LIVED THROUGH WWII do you know? Not many, I'll bet. Most of 'em are dead now.

The war that seems to define us as a nation now, especially in the Mainstream Media and politics, is Vietnam. That pathetic effort is the racing stripe in the drawers of the USA. It was one of those fuck-ups that I sincerely HOPE made us stronger in the long run. But that micro-managed effort in futility should NOT be the bloody shirt idiotic dip-sticks wave every time the United States goes to war.

I am not certain that the United States has the backbone anymore to endure the kind of effort WWII took. I look at the great weeping and gnashing of teeth about casualties in Iraq and I want to hang my head. Buncha gutless wonders. We lost more troops in a SINGLE BATTLE in WWII than we EVER will in Iraq.

The tree of liberty sometimes must be watered by the blood of patriots. Truer words were never spoken.

I mourn every casualty we have in Iraq. I've met a lot of those fine troops and I've bought them dinner and drinks, just to show my appreciation for them doing a dirty job well. The JBs of the world can argue until they're blue in the face about Halliburton and OOOOIL all they want to, but it doesn't change one simple fact.

WE went to war. When we're IN, we're IN, and you don't quit, get cold feet or start yelling "quagmire" when it's not over in two days. Or even two years. What would the world be like today if we'd done that in WWII?

Was Iraq an imminent threat to the United States? Probably not. Iraq wasn't about to invade and conquer this country. But was it a festering boil on the ass of the world that needed to be lanced in the War on Terror? Yes. It was.

War is ugly, but sometimes it is necessary. Holding hands and singing "Kumbaya" around a campfire doesn't impress maniacs such as Adolph Hitler or Saddam Hussein. Bullets do.

If we listened to the screeching peace monkeys of today back in 1776, we wouldn't be the USA now. If we listened to them in 1941, we'd all be goose-stepping and speaking German today. They are WRONG!!!

That's MY humble opinion. And I wish you all a happy and delightful Independence Day. A lot of people died to give you what you have today. Appreciate that fact.

And take the time to read some history about WWII--- that just might clean the Vietnam racing stripe out of your drawers.

(UPDATE: Yeah. what he said.)


Amen and a very happy Independence Day to you too!

Posted by: Chablis on July 4, 2005 10:04 AM

I know a WW2 veteran quite well. I was raised by one.

A B-17 pilot, he was shot down over Berlin and a POW in Germany for the last 8 months or so of the war.

He's in shaky health today, but still with us...

Posted by: Ruth on July 4, 2005 10:08 AM

My grandma was born in 1909. Today she is a fiery, independent, outspoken 95 year old. She was alive during WW I, and often talks about the impact that war had on her family. She also remembers vividly the flu epidemic of 1917 that wiped out nearly half her town. I consider my grandma a national treasure.

Posted by: Renee on July 4, 2005 11:08 AM

At least you have come around to admitting this is an UNconstitutional war, and thus, hardly "American."

It's a start, anyway.

Any comparison to 1776 falls way short of something to celebrate. Our Founders had set principles and put them in writing for all to see. Their principles are worth fighting for, and we would best support our military by NOT sending them to die in UNconstitutional wars.

The war in Iraq is a travesty and a sham--proof we did not learn from Vietnam. But the news about how we really got there is finally begin to emerge--this should be a very interesting summer in DC.

That is something to celebrate in America--eventually we do find out the truth.

ATB, Dude

Posted by: jb on July 4, 2005 11:09 AM

Who admitted it was an unconstitutional war. It was approved by congress and that in itself makes it constitutional.

Iraq is just one small step on the way to several other small steps that will eliminate governments that foster Islamic terrorists. No, Saddam Hussein probably did not have anything to do with the 9-11 attack. But he was funding Palestinian terrorist and that in itself would have got my vote to take the ugly goat fornicator down.

Posted by: GUYK on July 4, 2005 11:16 AM

Why worry about what jb thinks? He's just a drunk ass loser who likes to blow hot air up your blog!! Pictures to follow - LOL

Posted by: LOL on July 4, 2005 11:33 AM

We weren't as resolute before WWII as people may think. At one point 90 per cent of Americans opposed entering the European war and Congress was a single vote short of ending the draft. It was FDR's genius to see extraordinary steps were needed to get the country into the war before it was too late. He was brave enough to manuver the Japanese into attacking us and to conceal the coming strike at Pearl Harbor from the commanders there. Why was this brave? Because if the Pacific Fleet knew the Japanese strike force was on the way it would have put to sea. FDR knew it had to be there and take the blow if the nation was to be united. Three thousand lives on your conscience? That took guts.

Posted by: Banjo on July 4, 2005 11:59 AM

Not to nitpick, but I thought the casualties at Pearl Harbor were just a little over two thousand. (No where near three) I think 9-11 was closer to three (and more than Pearl Harbor) Not that it matters, I mean if you want to believe FDR knowingly allowed those sailors to be killed, I guess whether it was two or three thousand wont make much difference when it comes to explaining that one to ST PETER at the Pearly Gates, eh?

Posted by: Ruth on July 4, 2005 12:11 PM

I remember reading somewhere that we lost more troops during a single training exercise for the Normandy invasion than we have in Iraq...

Posted by: Graumagus on July 4, 2005 12:28 PM

One of my WWII acquaintances was a P-47 pilot stationed in England. Among his "war stories" was a description of 1,000-plus-plane formations taking off from numerous bases to meet above overcast. Fairly often, 10% or more didn't make it above the clouds. Flying is inherently dangerous. To give you an idea of the attrition, this dude went from 2d Lt. to Col. in 18 months. *Also an ace. **Also flew with Chuck Yeager. *** Also a P O W.

His P O W experience was a lot like "Hogan's Heroes", though at the time of his telling, that series was several years in the future.

Posted by: Larry on July 4, 2005 01:16 PM


Posted by: Larry on July 4, 2005 01:18 PM

My dad an uncle were in WWII and taught me all the lessons needed from it. Mainly, the USA needs to stay strong.

Now I'm off to a cookout with my liberal relatives. Hope I can keep dinner down.

Posted by: Cappy on July 4, 2005 03:22 PM

My dad was stationed at Polebrook England, he was also a 2nd LT. He was held at Stalag Luft 1 prison camp (in Barth Germany) when captured. He never made any comparisons to Hogans Heros, and although he wasnt mistreated (like the poor guys who were held by the JAPS) it wasnt exactly a laugh a minute. They used sleep deprivation and they would shove him around, they would wake him up with a rifle butt to the ribs, ask him all kinds of questions, etc..

But I think the German guards respected my fathers rank (and respected the soldiers they held in general) The Red Cross was given access to the POWs and my father was allowed mail (in and out) although limited.

Anyway....he never talks about it much and what little information I have gotten out of him has been like pulling teeth.

Posted by: Ruth on July 4, 2005 03:38 PM


Obviously, you attended public schools which did not include a civics class. I am amazed at the number of "conservative" Americans who are more liberal than the liberals on the constitution. They never can argue constitutionally about squat.

Sans knowing the constitution, you are liberal, too.

This is an unconstitutional war, and if you would study the constitution, you would understand that simple fact. If you were reading the news and blogging regularly, you would already know how the Bush Administration lied to take us into war.

Very simply put--you do not know what you are talking about.

Posted by: jb on July 4, 2005 06:51 PM

I don't know who this dipshit jb is, but he appears to be the only one in the country who regards the war as "unconstitutional." Even and George Soros don't make that argument, nor Teddy Kennedy when they sober him up.

Posted by: Banjo on July 4, 2005 07:59 PM

If every time JB typed the word "unconstitutional" was a drinking game.....we'd all be dead from alcohol poisoning by now.

Posted by: Ruth on July 4, 2005 08:05 PM

Thats cause "jb" drinks rot gut shit like "Milwaukee's Best"...perhaps now with all that money hes making he will graduate to a better brand of beer eh?

Doesn't matter -- he is still a pompous, know it all dickhead...No matter what he uses to numb his senses, including al!! which he has none of...hehehe

Posted by: LOL on July 4, 2005 10:20 PM

That a "sober" Ted Kennedy is, in some way, justification for Iraq, pretty well sums up matters.

Posted by: jb on July 5, 2005 01:15 AM

That's ME that drinks the Milwaukee's Best and I will take my cheap ass beer over any of the fancy crap you piss out anyday LOL. I guess LOL stands for Lack Of Logic because YOU are the dickhead that has his head up his pompous ass.

The rest of you idiot fucktard Republicans that love to spout off about being the only ones that are patriotic or knew any WWII vets when it comes to discussing the IRAQ FUCKUP makes me laugh. I spend every week with an 87 year old WWII vet that was awarded the Bronze Star for bravery in battle. He will be the first to tell you that THIS WAR IS NONSENSE. My own father is gone now, but he too was a brave veteran of WWII and I know how he would feel about the stupidity of creating such instability in the middle east, spending ourselves into oblivion, and spreading our military so thin that we can't focus on engaging with other REAL threats around the world (such as North Korea or Iran). Occupying a muslim country that posed NO threat to us or to neighboring countries has only served to create more anti-American hatred and an ever increasing jihadist movement everywhere, which has resulted in the creation of even more terrorists. That is why the insurgency is so strong in Iraq and that is why there is NO END IN SIGHT. We had tremendous global sympathy and support after 9/11 and if Bush would have put the full strength of our military in Afghanistan like he did in Iraq, we would still have a great image globally because that military response was necessary and justified in almost everyones eyes. Usama bin Laden would also most likely be captured by now, and the al Qaeda network would have been reduced dramatically without his leadership and calls for continued fighting. So for all the asswipes that love to say that those of us who oppose the Iraq war would rather sit around and sing Kumbaya instead, you should shut the fuck up and consider the LACK OF LOGIC in this major blunder by Bush and his self-serving cronies.


Posted by: PJ on July 5, 2005 03:42 AM

PJ, Fuck you ! My father is a vet of both. Atlantic, & Pacific.
They could use your worthless ass in france.
Like me now? You'll like me better when I throw away the bat. MURRY

Posted by: Murry on July 5, 2005 07:14 AM

So if Vietnam was the racing stripe in the drawers of the USA, I guess you think the same of the soldiers that fought it? Thanks a lot Acidman. Vietnam vets fought for their country and what they believed to be the freedom of their people just like any american soldier in any war. Was it our fault that we had a bunch of gutless wonders for politicians that didn't want to stay and get the job done? Where were you during vietnam?

Posted by: assrot on July 5, 2005 09:31 AM

I was riding a 2-S deferrment and then I won the draft lottery (#353 in the very first one). I have NEVER said anything bad about the troops who fought in Vietnam. Too many of those guys were my friends.

I DO SAY that the politicians running that show should ALL be dragged off and shot.

Posted by: Acidman on July 5, 2005 10:27 AM

Thanks for clarifying that Rob. I agree about the politicians back then.

Posted by: assrot on July 5, 2005 11:59 AM

As for J.B. God bless you brother. I spent two years In Nam making sure you have the right to make a ass of yourself and I am so proud of ya J.B. for doing such a exemplary job of it. And as for everyone else rest easy that despite what these meat weasels say or think America is the shinest star in a galaxy of other stars.

Posted by: arathorn on July 5, 2005 05:08 PM

Well said.

Posted by: Timothy on July 5, 2005 07:24 PM

"The tree of liberty sometimes must be watered by the blood of patriots. Truer words were never spoken".

- Acidman

Someone please explain to me how these words apply to the huge mess in Iraq. The reason for this war is SO FUCKED UP and this crooked ass Bush administration knows it and all they do is keep creating new reasons to justify it so they can't be held accountable for this idiotic miscalculation.

"I was riding a 2-S deferrment and then I won the draft lottery (#353 in the very first one)".

- Acidman

If you are SO patriotic Acidbrain, then I would think you couldn't wait to sign up. Why didn't you just avoid all that lottery shit back then and just join up and go fight in Vietnam? Oh that's right, it's the same reason as all those patriots in the White House like Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and Rove and Rice and Card and Bartlett and McClellan and Bolton didn't go either, but y'all sure are passionate about sending others to go shed blood and then blather on about the necessity of war. Y'all are the worse kind of fucking cowards of all.


Posted by: PJ on July 6, 2005 04:47 AM
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