January 27, 2005
violent little boys
I started to blog about this story yesterday, but I figured that other bloggers would be all over it like flies on crap, so I didn't bother to add my two-cents worth. But I didn't see ANYBODY in my regular reads pitching a fit over it. I was shocked.
So, I'm going to post today what I should have posted yesterday.
OCALA, Fla. -- Two boys, ages 9 and 10, were charged with felonies and taken away from school in handcuffs, accused of making violent drawings of stick figures.
The boys were arrested Monday on charges of making a written threat to kill or harm another person, a second-degree felony.
My mama has a cedar chest in her attic filled with artificats from when my brother and I were in elementary school. She has all the report cards, the tests, the neat little crafts we made, notes from the teachers about both good and bad behavior and a lot of really interesting stuff to look at 45 years later.
That shit could get me thrown in jail today for retroactive terroristic threats and all sorts of hate-crime felonies.
Mama kept a lot of drawings we made back then, too. Mine show a sick obsession with WW II airplane battles, the Alamo and Custer's Last Stand. Bejus! I have airplanes going down in flames with the pilot screaming "OHHH, NOOO!" and dead bodies hanging bleeding from the walls of the Alamo and Indians taking scalps from US soldiers who scream "OHHH, NOOO!" just like the dying pilots did.
Back before we pussified this country, that sort of behavior was not considered deviant or unusual. Boys fought, played cop-n-robbers, staged army games in the yard and learned to die dramatically, just like the guys in the movies. Then, we'd get up, switch sides and go kill each other again. I personally thought it was a lot of fun.
Ocala police said they stand behind the decision to arrest the children.
"When an adult or even myself look at the picture looked at it at first I was thinking there is really not much to the picture or I would not be that scared by the picture those children drew," Ocala police spokesman Russ Kearn said. "However, we have to put ourselves in his mind and that's the bottom line here. It is his well-being and the way he perceived that picture to be. It actually put him in extreme fear and he was in fear for his life."
So... no matter how ridiculous the charge, and no matter how pussified the frightened little whiner may be, the police now have to "put ourselves in his mind" and arrest two boys were were guilty of nothing more than being LESS CREATIVE than I was at their age. I'll guarantee you that my drawings were better and a LOT more blood-soaked.
Ritalin. Feminization. Sexual harassment. Zero Tolerance. My aching, Cracker ass.
Little boys don't stand a chance today.
(ADDENDUM: My brother drew stuff just as gory as what I did. He is a successful attorney today. But he did something I never thought of. He built a WORKING EXECUTION DEVICE, kind of like a wooden Iron Maiden with lots of nails poking in every direction, and he caught toads to put on trial (he was determined to be a lawyer from an early age). He would bring charges against the toad, examine the evidence, read his verdict, and slam that toad in the excution chamber. OHHH! NOOO!)
That's what toads are for and that's what little boys do. Pussies will NEVER understand.
I heard some more on this today on my way to work. It seems the two boys were already in a special education class. I am sure there were no other hardened criminals around for the police to arrest. fucking jerks.
We not only would play with "violent" little plastic soldiers, but we'd also burn them so that the plastic would drip to the ground, making a z-z-z-z-p sound as it fell. To my knowledge, not one ax murderer/serial killer was produced from my circle of childhood friends. In fact, most went on to VERY successful lives.
Little boys will ALWAYS want to throw things & blow things up. That is, until the nanny state/pussification movement stifle them in an attempt to make them little girls.
When I saw this yesterday I said "oh for Christ's sake" THEN I saw that these kids were special ed. SPECIAL ED!!! They don't need to be arrested. They need help. Good god, I am SOOOOO glad I don't live in FL. Whatever happened to calling parents and having a conference? Especially for kids who are less likely to understand that what they were doing was scaring the other kid. Bastards.
A day late and a dollar short here (didn't blog at all yesterday).
What the ever loving fuck?
I'm with you Acidman, the shit I used to draw would get me arrested in heart beat. I had picture of X-Wing pilots with "Faulty spacesuits" explosively decompressing as they ejected after being strafed by TIE fighters, I had drew pics of Viking torture techniques (look up "Blood Eagle- it ain't nice), we launched frogs out of 3 man water balloon slingshots at such high velocities you could still here the "SHPPACCT!" noise clearly as they hit the pavement 100 yards away (those slingshots were awesome).
I turned out just fine and well adjusted dammit (twitchtwitch).
I thought the same thing when I read this; hell, I used to make little 'comic books' full of violent bloodshed. Nowadays I'd be force-fed medication and put into 'special-ed'.
This is reason 5,594 that my son is going to private school.
Sorry...I totally disagree. There is a huge difference between boys who draw violent pictures about past events or generic people and boys who draw violent pictures as a means to intimidate a real live person.
I agree that the felony charges might be over the top IF these boys haven't been in trouble before...but given that they have been identified as 'special education' students, I highly doubt it. Special Ed has become a repository for ALL mental and emotional deviants in the last 25 years, as well as those with honest to goodness issues.
These two boys obviously are intelligent enough to realize the kind of effect those drawings would have on their classmate...they are certainly intelligent enough to understand the consequences. I'm not one to tell my kids to 'just ignore the bullies' or to 'just walk away from a fight' because that's not how the world works. They have my full support to beat the shit out of anyone so long as they never throw the first punch. But by Jesus I better not EVER catch wind that they're the ones initiating the trouble.
If those 9 and 10 year old boys were mine, I'd have slapped the cuffs on them and sent their asses to the police station myself.
I'm still not quite believing that the nanny bullshit that plagues this country has evolved to the degree that it allows ten year olds to be hauled off in handcuffs and charged with a felony. For drawing something with a bloody crayon.
Everyone involved, from the teacher to the damn cops who thought this was an appropriate form of action, need to be goddamn hung. I mean what the hell?
I guess mental and emotional problems are not honest to goodness issue ? I guess sending them to the police station yourself would relieve you of any parenting responsablities. Go ahead and raise girly men.
My experience/impression is that there must be something more than meets the eye to these accounts, some aggravating circumstance that warranted the police's actions. Otherwise, on the face of it the acount seems like caricature of PC-ness or a news-group troll. A few years ago one of my boys had a pocketknife left over in his knapsack from a Scout outing, it was discovered at school. All that happened is the Principal stuck it in his desk drawer and we retreived it from him teh next day. No cops, no helicopters cirlcing the school. These accounts get attention because they are the exception, not the rule (yet?).
I like the line from the police spokesman: “When an adult or even myself look at the picture…” Implying, of course, that he isn’t an adult.
I think that's why a lot of wimmin don't seem to like the "Mr. Bill" skits on the old SNL. That was so obviously the way *boys* play with dolls. I thought they were hilarious, while feeling sad for Mr. Bill. Besides, Sluggo of Omaha was mean to my mother.
Pete: More likely, the cop in question is implying that he's better than your average adult. See also: Cops referring to others as 'civilians'.
It would certainly fit the disposition of someone who'd haul a bloody ten year old off for drawing a picture.
I can remember taking a rifle to school to practice on the SCHOOL ROTC range after classes.
We had a tree house where we used to play army; we would choose sides and the defenders would use standard 4 oz. Pub darts dropped through holes in the treehouse floor as weapons.
All of us survived such traumatic hi-jinks to become contributing members of society.
It seems the pussification of our society is almost complete when seeing stories such as this and the other post where the woman got the vapors from hearing the thought that men (on average)just MAY be biologically wired to be better in high level mathmatics than women.
1. Pussify the boys until there are
2. No men, leaving the country defenseless and achieving
3. World peace.
Honestly, does know one see how destructive it is to try to eliminate male aggression? Better to channel it.
It's because I love what's left of the Old America that I want this current pussified, liberal fascist one to implode, explode and just plain fucking vanish.
Oh bite my ass, James. I think that, were I a parent in that position, I'd be sending a crystal clear message about accepting responsibility for one's actions. Notice I said nothing about deserting my child to the juvenile justice system...I simply stated that I would personally see to it that IF (despite my BEST intentions) my kids knowingly and willingly do something against the law, I wouldn't allow them to hide behind my skirts. How is that relieving myself from parental responsibility?
As far as the 'real' special education problems, I think I could have been more clear in stating that, although there are children with LEGITIMATE mental and emotional issues, special ed classification also ends up as a repository for those children who have never been taught appropriate social behavior. No one knows what to do with those kids, other than to give them a good dose of the ole ritalin and classify them as Special ed.
My kids don't get their rocks off by bullying and intimidating other kids, nor will they stand there and take it if others try to bully them. You may call them girly men, but your silly assed opinion really doesn't mean that much if you think that real men go through life intimidating everyone they don't like.
No, real men don't need to "intimidate" anyone. But real LITTLE BOYS draw bloody cartoons. You want to stop that and still not pussify the boys.
Acid - I've never heard, but is your brother a prosecuting attorney?
On another note, my friends and I would stand at the ends of our street and throw rocks and bottles at each. As hard as we could. And laughing about it the whole time.
We had wars in the canebrake down by the creek. We shot one another with spring BB guns, crawled around doing ambushes with real (dull) knives, and had a high old time.
It came to an end when the rich kid (rather, the only child) showed up with a pump gun. We ruled he could only give it three strokes before firing, but he wouldn't live up to that. The third time he drew blood we threw him (and the gun) in the deep pool under the bridge and went home.
I'm a couple years older than Acidman, BTW.
And you're wrong. We aren't raising a generation of pussies; we're raising a generation of Preacher's Kids. When all that shit finally comes to the surface after being suppressed for so long, the result won't be pretty.
I know that this conversation doesn't include any reference to SEX and therefore it might be difficult for you boys to understand, but do TRY to keep up LOL.
I think I stated that I don't see a damn thing wrong with bloody cartoons. All boys have a healthy fascination with blood and gore and I don't have a problem with that at all. The frog thing doesn't even offend my 'delicate sensibilities'. That is all normal boy behavior. I don't even really have a problem with cartoons depicting the murder of a specific person...I can usually chalk that up to artistic license. But I DO have a problem with that cartoon being used as a tool to intimidate that person.
Okay, Chablis... define "intimidation."
We'll talk after that.
Ah, grammer school: B-29's & B-36's in ink on the covers of 3-ring binders. Guns ablaze, of course.
The little pussy boy that was targetted said his feelings were hurt. That's why the other two were arrested.
Beyond this parody, can anyone see where this is headed?
If parents can no longer use any kind of corporal punishment when the heathenish little rug rats are out of total control, then the state can declare parents unfit to raise their kids because they can't control them.
That has been the plan and contention of the Left for the past 30 years.
This leaves the parent damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Then if adults decide to no longer have families because of this, they will be thrown into jail for not breeding.
I'd keep my powder dry if I were every one.
I don't know about you Rob but my idea of intimidation is an act of threatening behavior that is used to frighten someone.
Dictionary.com defines it as
1. To make timid; fill with fear.
2. To coerce or inhibit by or as if by threats.
For whatever reason, those two boys were getting their ya-yas by threatening that kid into submission. All things being equal (and based only on the assumption that the news reports are covering ALL of the info), the two boys are clearly in the wrong, in my eyes.
But with kids nowadays you never know. The kid being intimidated could have very well done something to piss off the other two boys and the only difference between the three of them is that the other two got caught LOL.
Let's see.. school rules have changed a bit...
1. NO knives over 3" long.
2. NO switchblades.
3. NO playing mumbly Peg. (don't get caught)..