Gut Rumbles

October 06, 2004

the VP debate

I intended to live-blog it last night, but I can't do that kind of thing. I get carried away listening and watching the body language and think that if I start typing, I'll miss something important.

My humble opinion? Cheney squashed Edwards like a bug.

I didn't understand both men scribbling furiously on notepads before the debate started. If they didn't have their shit in one sock by then, it was too late to fix it now. Cheney began pretty mellow, and Edwards came out of the blocks swinging brass knuckles. I think that tactic was a mistake.

Cheney HAD all his shit in one sock and bowed up his own back in response. My favorite line--- Edwards' track record in the Senate. "Senator gone."

"I preside over the Senate. I'm there almost every Tuesday when they meet. The first time I met YOU was tonight, on this stage." (The quotes may not be exact, but they're pretty damned close.)

Edwards looked like a boy fighting a man. Of course, I wanted Cheney to win, so maybe I filtered some of what I saw and heard. Edwards attempted a typical trial-lawyer tap-dance around the "global test" issue (Kerry fucked up when he said that crap-- and Edwards didn't drag Kerry's chestnuts out of the fire with his obfuscating last night). Cheney pounced right away and went for the jugular.

Look at the records. YOUR votes. HIS votes. We can't afford such waffling, anti-defense people as Commander-in-Chief when we're at war.

Edwards threw up the Haliburton Defense, which basically said Haliburton is EEEVILLL and France, Germany and the UN are not. What utter bullshit. I negotiated a lot of contracts with Haliburton when I worked in my chemical plant. Haliburton is a good company, capable of doing reliable work. They did a lot of jobs for me and they never fucked up. They weren't cheap, but everything was on a flat-dollar bid--- none of that cost-plus shit-- and they always delivered.

I don't see "evil" in that kind of performance. I see competence instead. Of course, most people who scream about Haliburton don't have a fucking clue about what that company does. I DO.

And I thought the line about how Howard Dean scared both Edwards and Kerry into changing positions on Iraq was a killer. How can you wage a war on terror when you can't stand up to Howard Dean? Ouch!

That's my two cents worth.


I wonder if all the whining liberals know how much time, $$ and effort Halliburton expends on sponsoring small business training programs for minorities, women, and disabled business owners. Sure, they're a monstrous huge company, but if you can see your way past that corporate edifice and look at what they do on a community level, you'd have a different take entirely.
That being said, Halliburton would be better off firing these shortcut-taking whiz kids they use for accounting, and find some old geezers with sharp pencils and eyeshades who actually know what Generally Accepted Accounting Practices are.
Not an employee, just a fan... after all, if you're gonna drill for oil in the ass end of creation, you can't do it with two goats, a pointy stick and a ball of twine. You gotta have a company big enough to go in and do the job right.

Posted by: El Capitan on October 6, 2004 07:53 AM

El Capitan, you are correct!

Posted by: Acidman on October 6, 2004 08:14 AM

The only mishap for Cheney was the line you quoted. It sounded good, but it was incorrect (unfortunately). Cheney has met Edwards at least twice before. But, at least now people know about Edwards' shameful attendance record in Senate committee meetings. That tells me he fancies himself as a show horse rather than a work horse. In my opinion, we have enough show horses already.

Posted by: bedubya on October 6, 2004 09:27 AM

I have an uncle that works for KBR, a subsidiary of Haliburton, and speaking as a soldier, I love what Haliburton does for servive members. KBR provides every thing from food to laundry service to mail delivery to internet and phones.. I don't know where all this criticism of Haliburton comes from. When Haliburton had accounting problems, they reported it themselves. And do I have to mention Haliburton has lost more employees to enemy action than any other country in our coalition?

This is just something that pisses me off when people (dems and libs) don't know what the hell they're talking about when they malign a good company like Haliburton.

Posted by: matterson on October 6, 2004 11:10 AM

Two comments.

1) Cheney has been President of the Senate since January 2001 - and they have only met TWICE? Senator Gone indeed. He will be practicing law again come January. Good riddance - and the boy couldn't get re-elected to his Senate seat - he isn't popular at home.

2) I worked for Halliburton in the oil patch in Bakersfield, CA about 25 years ago. I worked HARD and for the time was paid well, and they had high expectations. Quality costs - and I am sick of the criticism. They earn every damned nickel. The Dems want to compalin about the sole source no bid contract to get the Iraqi oil flowing, and Halliburton being the only firm in the world who could handle the job as efficiently - AND they get the oil flowing three months ahead of schedule, and then complain it wasn't done faster?

These people are truly trial lawyers at heart. They talk out of both sides of their mouth (and occasionally their asses) at the same time.

Posted by: jay on October 6, 2004 11:14 AM

I think Cheney was very effective. Who cares if he was "dry", as MSM has said! I want experience and hard work from my leaders, not snappy sound bytes and a contract with Clairol.

Posted by: Da Goddess on October 6, 2004 12:36 PM

Halliburton has done billions of dollars of business with the U.S. government.I imagine they do lots with other governments too.What's the big deal? They have the skills,personell and infrastructure to DO huge projects. What the Democrats seem to be missing is that they've done business for decades with the Federal government.both Rebublican and Democratic.......Damn,lefties sure are two faced,ain't they?

Posted by: big al on October 6, 2004 01:42 PM


Posted by: I_have_a_brain on October 6, 2004 02:20 PM

And why only illiterate, cowardly trolls (who think claiming to have a brain will prove they do, rather than the opposite) vote for Kerry & Edwards.

Posted by: McGehee on October 6, 2004 03:53 PM

these debates need a little more action. they should hire vince mcmahon to organize the next one. a good chair shot over the head would put that uppity little prick edwards in his place.

Posted by: daryl on October 6, 2004 05:03 PM

I'd like to see CAGE-MATCH. Cheney may be old and his heart may be bad, but I believe that he could choke-slam Edwards right on top of the Spanish announcer's table.

Posted by: Acidman on October 6, 2004 07:12 PM

my boyfriend's daddy worked for Halliburton for years and has nothing but good things to say about them. the Halliburton defense is the only leg that Kerry and Edwards have left to stand on. anytime anyone says something they don't like it's "Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton!" the voting public has got to be tired of hearing about the past by now. I'd like to know what they have in store for my FUTURE!

Posted by: girl on October 6, 2004 07:32 PM

Remember that one strange question the moderator asked about black women contracting aids or HIV at 13 times the rate of white women. What is the government going to do about it? I never heard an after-debate comment about that.

Posted by: Nancy Beckmann on October 6, 2004 10:04 PM


The only person I know to be HIV positive is a woman who had sex with a former boyfriend after he got out of prison. Check out the out of wedlock birth rate by race. Draw your own conclusions.


The Haliburton thing is purely partisan politics. There aren'tmany companies big enough to do what they do. Let's face it. The Grace L. Ferguson Airline and Stormdoor company can't do what Haliburton is capable of doing. Nobody complains that they got no-bid contracts from the Clinton administration in Bosnia. They imagine a connection now that Cheney is V.Pres.

It's the same as the Carlisle Group "connection". The Bushes are into it up to their eyes, of course. Nobody talks about all the Clinton people who are similarly involved with Carlisle and have been involved longer than the Bushes. How many have pointed out Ken Lay's continued conneciton with the Heinz foundation?

Cheney whooped Edwards' ass and the mainscream media is ignoring that fact.

Posted by: StinKerr on October 7, 2004 08:38 AM

If you had filters on while watching that debate, I must have too because I took away from it exactly what you did. Edwards was squashed like a bug indeed. What I can't understand is how Kerry and Edwards stand upright with smug smiles on their faces all while talking out of their asses. How can they stand behind such drivel? Cheney showed his balls of iron and freight-train-long record of experience. I loved "Senator Gone" remark too. My fav from Edwards was him saying we should be in Iran. And THEY want to talk about focus?!?

Posted by: Erin on October 7, 2004 01:17 PM

A self-help group I attend has taught me the difference between talking the talk and walking the walk. Kedwards really can't even get the talk part right, but say they do. Does anyone in the whole wide world think they ever have or ever will walk the walk?

Edwards reminded me of a Chihuahua or terrier snapping at a giant's ankles.

Posted by: Larry on October 8, 2004 11:11 AM
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