Gut Rumbles

September 02, 2004

zell miller

I didn't like Zell when he was governor of Georgia. I never voted for him and I agreed with the people who called him "Pell-Mell Zell" and "Zig-Zag Zell." I thought he was a typical, ass-kissing politician who would do anything for a vote.

When Paul Coverdale died and that carpetbagger, Roy Barnes, appointed Zell Miller to take Paul's seat in the Senate, I was appalled. I liked Paul Coverdale a lot and I truly believed that Zell would go to Washington and become a Democrat hand-puppet the way Max Cleland did.

I was wrong.

Zell surprised me. I don't know for sure, but I have a theory about how Zell changed. That bad-ass, ex-Marine hillbilly just decided one fine day: I've spent a life in politics kissing ass and I'm NOT DOING THAT ANYMORE. By Gawd, he meant it, too.

If you didn't see the speech, read the text. I was proud to call that man my Senator.

He delivered the speech with zeal and I believe that his heart was in his words.

What has happened to the party I've spent my life working in?

I can remember when Democrats believed that it was the duty of America to fight for freedom over tyranny.

It was Democratic President Harry Truman who pushed the Red Army out of Iran, who came to the aid of Greece when Communists threatened to overthrow it, who stared down the Soviet blockade of West Berlin by flying in supplies and saving the city.

Time after time in our history, in the face of great danger, Democrats and Republicans worked together to ensure that freedom would not falter. But not today.

Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator.

Zell sees the seamy underbelly of the Democrat party. Democrats would rather rule a nation of slaves than be the minority party in the land of the free. I believe that such an attitude should frighten people today.

That's what the next election is all about.


Uh...isn't Zell a bit of a flip-flopper himself? Isn't his flop into the GOP the only reason he spoke last night?

So maybe flip-floppery is a bogus charge made to avoid talking about real issues.


Posted by: Beth on September 2, 2004 10:37 AM

Spoken like a person who believes Michael Moore tells the truth, Beth.

Posted by: Acidman on September 2, 2004 11:04 AM

MR Miller says 911 changed him, I guess like it did alot of us. He also spent all those years watching nothing get done playing in Washington. You can hear he speaks from his gut now...I like that in a man. :)

Posted by: Trease on September 2, 2004 11:10 AM

Did Zell flip-flop or did he not? Did I say I liked Michael Moore or not" Are you just changing the topic to avoid addressing the issue? Just like a republican. Attack, smear, distort. That's why you guys are going to Lose! Bush is a loser. Get used to it.

Posted by: Beth on September 2, 2004 11:22 AM

Politics no longer end at the waters' edge for the dems. I am happy to argue choice or health care or vouchers or whatever once we have secured the republic from those who seek its destruction, be they here or overseas. The leadership of the democrat party has, by its schizophrenic positions re the war, demonstrated that they care more about securing political power than the safety of the country. When Zell went to DC he saw that first hand and got rightfully pissed.

Posted by: Alex on September 2, 2004 11:37 AM

Hmmm... I wonder if that was the REAL Andrew Sullivan commenting on my humble blog? If so, I am flattered.

But I still disagree with what he had to say.

Posted by: Acidman on September 2, 2004 12:08 PM

I find it amazing that if a person says a bad thing about Bush they are a hero, question Kerry's motives or record and your a loser. Politics sucks, Hey Beth, try Haiti, you would like it there.

Posted by: James Old Guy on September 2, 2004 12:18 PM


I did a google for 'barking mad' and got 16 hits for Zell Miller.

Posted by: Momababe on September 2, 2004 12:38 PM

It's rather ironic that Andrew uses the same rhetorical fallacies to attack Zell Miller (and by extension the rest of us Southerners) that he accuses Senator Miller of using in his speech.

Zell Miller was exhibiting RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION--not mere anger. Since liberal democrats don't seem to understand what righteousness is, of course they are baffled and frightened.

And Andrew, my hillbilly people came over here a long time ago to get away from Old World fops who think that Righteous Indignation is somehow crude. Given your condescending expression of Southerners "hospitality", "warmth" and "sophistication" as being "astonishing:, I'd say my people made the right decision.

I think it's going to take a few generations for your descendants to get European snobbery and foppishness out of your gene pool.

Of course, if you really are Andrew Sullivan, passing on your genes to sucessive generations who will become truly American in spirit won't happen--will it?

Posted by: Sue Bob on September 2, 2004 02:20 PM

Am I the only one who pictures Beth, sitting there with the big 'L', made with thumb and forefinger, pressed to her head?

Again...proof positive, when they have nothing to promote, they attack. Why debate the merits of Kerry, when it's so much more fun to attack someone else?

Posted by: jmflynny on September 2, 2004 02:30 PM

My guess is that Beth is a smart woman who, like nearly half of American voters, and nearly all the world think Bush is a stooge too stupid to do much of anything of consequence on his own.

It seems Tony Blair has also given up on the dubya.

Word leaked today from No. 10 Downing St. that Blair hopes Kerry will win the election.

So, I guess we should get ready for the demonization of the English. Freedom Muffins, Freedom Breakfast Tea and all that.

Posted by: Smegman on September 2, 2004 03:45 PM

Am I a liberal? How would you know? You seem to assume anyone with ideas different from yours is a liberal--as if that were a bad thing.

I see pathetic irony in you saying the exact same thing I said about Acidman --that he only attacks, never points out positive things about Bush.

Anyway, I looked up liberal in the dictionary. This is a quote.:

Liberal. Showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"..."tolerant of his opponent's opinions" [syn: broad, large-minded, tolerant]

2: having political or social views favoring reform and progress

3: tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition [ant: conservative]

4: given or giving freely; a backer of the arts" [syn: big, bighearted, bounteous, bountiful, freehanded, handsome, giving, openhanded]

5: n 1: a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties [syn: progressive] [ant: conservative]

2: a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets

Having never actually looked up the word before, and never having joined any political party right or left,
I have to say, based on the definition I am a liberal.

And, I reckon it's a good thing. Sorry.

Posted by: Beth on September 2, 2004 04:05 PM

Er...Beth, you'll notice that Liberal is written with a capital 'L'. By your logic, being a Republican is synonymous with being a second-time bar-owner.

On to Zell's speech: It resonated. In the *real* sense of the word. It was a well-delivered, and perfectly-timed. It was angry where it should've been, and offered positive points to counter the anger; damn good speech.

On the other hand, as 'Andrew' noted, it had a couple of straw men thrown in. John Kerry, whom I despise, is more often on the record as being for unilateral action as being against it. Statistically, anyway, the 'letting Paris decide' stuff is not accurate. But Kerry has also said he would check with allies first. Or was that Clarke?

Dang, thank God I'm voting for Dubya and don't have to wonder about what I'm getting.

Posted by: Rube on September 2, 2004 04:26 PM

Ahhh! I feel so special, or was I not the only one to get an email from Beth?

Posted by: jmflynny on September 2, 2004 04:28 PM

"..."tolerant of his opponent's opinions"

2: a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets

I don't have much time, (I'm f-ing off at work,)
but these statements above most certainly DO NOT apply to the Vast majority ofdemocrats. They consistently seek to shut the other side up, and would regulate the &^%&^% out of business.

Nice try Beth, but if you could stay away from the kool-ade your attitude might change for the better.

Posted by: wes jackson on September 2, 2004 04:36 PM

Looking back over the previous comments, and I could be mistaken, but I don't see whereas anyone specifically called Beth the "L" word.

ACTUALLY, my reference to her sitting there with the "big 'L', made with thumb and forefinger, pressed to her head" had more to do with the childish "That's why you guys are going to Lose! Bush is a loser. Get used to it. " comment previously posted by Beth.

And...once again, I'm curious: Did anyone else have her little diatribe, er, um, I mean...'lesson' in civics sent their personal email address?

Also, curious...does anyone remember seeing her here before, or do you suppose that she, as did others of her ilk, simply fan out and perform a 'google' search for anything containing the words "Zell + Speech + Convention + (insert any positive adjective here)"?

Posted by: jmflynny on September 2, 2004 05:44 PM

JMFLYNNY, I've seen a *lot* of new visitors today commenting in many of the blogs I read on a daily basis, all attacking Senator Miller. You may be on to something.

Posted by: tybee mike on September 2, 2004 05:57 PM

Perhaps, Mike, and that would render their attacks even more absurd. It would mean that they STILL can't fight the good fight based upon their own observations, but based upon those of someone else!

"I don't know what I think, but I know damned well that it's not the same as what YOU think!" Of course, such a pathetic attempt at debate follows closely the anemic example of integrity set forth by their icons: Michael Moore, Teddy K., CHRIS MATTHEWS, and, of course, JFKerry...

'tis simply an argument for arguments sake...

And, do you know of anyone, personally, who would spend time performing the same kind of search, just to start an argument over on the DU site?

Oh, geez...(takes deep breath...)

Posted by: jmflynny on September 2, 2004 06:28 PM

2 caveats:
1) I'm a lifelong Democrat.
2) I work at the Pennsylvania State Capitol.

Zell Miller spent 20 years telling Democrats that they were ignoring the middle-class. That the Democratic Party only stood for helping poor blacks, welfare mothers, and criminals who were really just "victims of society" and not responsible for their crimes.

He was right 20 years ago and he is right today. Some may call him a "Dixiecrat" as if that's such a bad thing. Just remember all those Reagan Democrats from the South who listened to their constituents and tried to reduce the size of government, cut entitlement programs, and strengthen our national defense.

Times have changed. The Great Society programs of the 60's did not work. Zell Miller spoke for all of us who belong to that "common sense middle" of the spectrum between the far right and the far, far left. That is where the solutions lie to the problems we are facing today.

Posted by: BJK on September 2, 2004 06:51 PM

I thought you might appreciate the quote I lifted off of

A lifelong Democrat, [my mom] once asked me how I could become such a strong Republican; I simply replied "Mom, you raised me well."

You see, she raised me to understand and appreciate the words of Abraham Lincoln, who said: "You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by encouraging class hatred. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and incentive. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they should do for themselves."

Amen, Abe!

P.S. I watched Ah-nold's speech as well. I came away with the same feeling as you did.

I think that it is awesome that an immigrant can become anything he set his mind to do...including bodybuilder and actor.

To reiterate, one cannot argue with a champion.

Posted by: Surfie on September 2, 2004 07:09 PM

I've no doubt that Roy Barnes was playing politics when he appointed Zell to Paul Coverdell's seat after Coverdell's untimely death. What a backfire!

I was never prouder of picking Georgia as my home than I was as I heard Zell speak. His interview with Chris Matthews was icing on the cake.

God bless the man, and God bless America.

Posted by: Patrick Carroll on September 2, 2004 08:33 PM

Wasn't Miller the nutter who wanted to spend tax money to give parents CDs of Mozart for their newborn infants?

Commie bastard.

Posted by: Tom on September 2, 2004 08:47 PM
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