Gut Rumbles

August 29, 2004

John Kerry and Vietnam

Anybody who reads this blog knows that Recondo 32 and his lovely wife Georgia are two of the best friends I have in this world. I've known them both for about 30 years now, and we've had many a grand adventure together, from Key West, Florida to Tacoma, Washington.

Recondo is not a violent man. In fact, he's so goddam decrepit now that I believe Georgia could whip his ass. The three of us ARGUE--- but we don't FIGHT.

A long time ago, Recondo was a 17 year-old boy from the mill-town of Clinton, South Carolina. When he got out of high school, he had three choices: either go to work in the mill, go to JAIL (it seems he had a few problems with the local constabulary) or enlist in the service. He chose door #3.

He enlisted, went to Vietnam and decided that he wanted to jump out of pefectly good airplanes. He ended up in Recondo school and was the 32nd graduate, shortly after the army started the training program (hence his internet name). He became a LRRP.

He didn't ride swift-boats up and down a river. He went on six-man teams via helicopter to be dropped in the middle of nowhere behind enemy lines. Their mission was Long Range Recon and Patrol. They weren't supposed to be seen or heard. They were supposed to scout, report, get out and call in the big boys once they were extracted.

The plan didn't always work that way.

If you read The Phantom Warriors, you'll find Recondo's story somewhere around page 54. His team fucked up that day and got caught by a several hundred NVA regulars that resembled fire ants swarming out of a freshly kicked mound. The extraction point was too hot to call for a helicopter, so they ran for their lives.

I won't go into any more details here, except to say that it wasn't a pretty sight. Go read that book.

Recondo hates John Kerry. He'll tell you right now that LRRPs were responsible for killing more enemy soldiers that ANY rifleman or regular army unit was during that war. If they found the enemy, they called in an air strike and blew everybody to hell. Then, they got out of there.

Recondo also says (and I believe that this fact is VERY IMPORTANT) that anybody who shot civilians or took ears for trophies would have been court marshalled in an instant and his commanding office would have faced charges, too.

"We didn't do that shit and I didn't know anybody who did," Recondo said. "Maybe some of the regular units went crazy and pulled a Calley, but WE never did, and I resent that boat-floating sumbitch for accusing us of WAR CRIMES when I believe that he committed the worst one of all: TREASON!!!"

And you wonder why some Vietnam vets don't like Kerry?


You don't understand what treason is.

Posted by: Banjo on August 29, 2004 04:34 PM

I do, banjo. It's meeting with the enemy while you are a member of the armed forces, as Kerry did when he met with Madam Binh's group in Paris as an officer in the Navy Resrves.

Posted by: Larry on August 29, 2004 04:46 PM

Banjo, you don't know shit.

Posted by: Acidman on August 29, 2004 04:52 PM

Hey don't know double shit!!!

Posted by: Sam on August 29, 2004 05:09 PM

o avoid the abuses of the English law, treason was specifically defined in the United States Constitution. Article Three defines treason as only levying war against the United States or giving aid and comfort to its enemies, and requires the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act or a confession in open court for conviction. In the United States Code the penalty ranges from "shall suffer death" to "shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

In the United States, the accusation of treason has at times been levelled at those who dissented against the government's foreign policy, especially during military actions. However, actual prosecutions have been very rare, and even very well known spies have generally been convicted of espionage rather than treason.

Posted by: Nadine P. on August 29, 2004 05:36 PM

Kerry was a traitor to his "band of brothers" when he cut and ran back to the states after only 4 1/2 months. He was a traitor to all service men when he gave false testimony to the senate. His selling out of POW and MIA's to North Vietnam makes him a traitor. His lack of support for the armed forces and inteligence agencies durring his entire senate career makes him a traitor to me and all of America. Benedict Arnold did less damage than Kerry.

Posted by: matterson on August 29, 2004 05:50 PM

Okay, Sputnik, you think Kerry is a SOB poopie-head. But he's not a traitor as defined by the US Consitution. Now if you want to ammend the constitution to make short-term battlefront soldiers and anti-war activists traitors, be my guest. My guess is gays will marry before Kerry's actions in Vietnam become treasonist.

Posted by: Caesar on August 29, 2004 06:21 PM

Lemme get this straight...from all you lawyers... aiding and abeting the enemy in time of war is NOT treason.

Okay. Now... can I stab YOU in the ass? The way Kerry did his "Band of Brothers?"

Posted by: Acidman on August 29, 2004 07:49 PM

Check out "Useful Idiots" by Mona Charen, an excellent, well-researched book about the gullible, appeasment weasels of the left.

Charen does an excellent job cataloguing the good deeds, honorable conduct and heroism of American soldiers in Nam. The good far outweighs the bad.

Posted by: horse with no-- on August 29, 2004 08:08 PM

A-DAMN-MEN! I had the honor of playing cab driver for some bad ass LRRP types and they can drink on my tab all night. Wouldn't piss on Kerry if he and his crowd were on fire. Hell, I'd strike the match. I was in Nam when the SOB and his bitch pulled their shit. He definitely contributed to the morale and well being of the folks shooting at me. His actions contributed to the easter offensive in 72 and cost a lot of lives.

Posted by: Alacat on August 29, 2004 09:53 PM

There is a Vietnam Veterans against Kerry March in Washington DC on the 12th of September Rick and friends plan to be there I've seen no coverage on this on TV go figure or radio. But I have seen the date posted on the web sight it should be interesting to see how many people show up Ga

Posted by: ga on August 29, 2004 10:28 PM

Perhaps you kerry water carriers would like to explain his efforts after he returned from Nam. How was that not "giving aid and comfort"?
Our P.O.W.s relate that the V.C. tortured our service men to compel them to "confess"to behavior such as F.F. so blithely described in front of Congress and the world.
I'd like a Direct answer.

Posted by: wes jackson on August 30, 2004 12:35 AM

The discussion here began over the definition of treason. I see most of you wingnuts fail to follow a simple line of thought. Ideologues with loud mouths really display their ignorance when they do this. If the shoe fits....

Whatever else Kerry may be, he is not a traitor. Treason is defined in the Constitution. There are traitors out there perhaps, but Kerry isn't one of them.

Get it?

Your friend, Asswipe Dumbshit

Posted by: Banjo on August 30, 2004 09:33 AM

Oh, please, Banjo, don't be dense. At least not willfully so. You're playing word games when everyone else here is trying to talk about honor and loyalty. We know all about the constitutional definition of treason, and that Kerry will never be prosecuted for what he did, but that leaves us free to think of him AS a traitor if that is what we believe.

Let me put it this way. Suppose I were to kill someone, and do it in such a clever way as to leave no witnesses or any material evidence, nothing for a prosecutor to work with. I might very well get away with my crime. Would that mean I was not a murderer? No, only that I was not a convicted murderer.

Please. Your word games don't impress anyone here. Besides, do you really think that "He's not convictable!!" is a reason for voting for someone for president?

Posted by: Steve Teeter on August 30, 2004 11:59 AM

To Banjo:
I know the Constitution also.
The U.S. of A. is not going to charge Kerry with treason.
But, I know what he did. Facts do count.
And, he aided and abetted the enemy in wartime. As an officer.

Posted by: Dan Pursel on August 30, 2004 11:59 AM
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