Gut Rumbles

February 04, 2004


I bitch a lot about the idiocy of our legal ststem, but I don't want to tear it down. I once had a problem with a guy who agreed to do some work for me at a certain price. He didn't get the work done before he had over-spent his bid, so he just decided to quit where he was and stiff me.

I sued his ass and got my money even though the asshole had to sell his truck to pay me. That was a just working of the legal system to me.

A neighbor of mine raises a lot of chickens. He makes a lot of side money selling hens and eggs. But he welcomed a couple of new neighbors who had two dalmations, which definitely run in the top five of stupid dogs. Let them get a taste of chicken blood and they go totally bullshit.

The dogs started digging into Mitchell's coop and kiling a lot of chickens. They ate eggs, too. Mitchell talked to his neighbor twice about the leash law in Georgia and that the fact if the dogs kept running loose and destroying his chickens, he would take care of the dogs. The dalmation-owver seemed to believe that the whole story was a joke.

Mitchell caught both dogs is his coop the next day. He killed both dogs, loaded them into his pickup truck and hauled them over to his neigbor's house. He threw them in thge yard and said, "You're dogs are finished fucking with my chicken coop. I warned you, and now you have two holes to dig."

The asshole sued Mitchell for killing the dogs. Letting the dogs run loose cost the man $70 each, because that's the penalty for the leshless law around here. Mitchell, however, conmmitted cruelty to animals and ended up paying a $2000 FINE AND BUYING THE GUY TWO NEW PEDIGREE DALMANTIONS.

I would have shot both dogs and buried them quickly and cleanly. When the owner finally asked about the dogs, I honestly could have said "I haven't seen them in a couple of weeks. I don't know what you did with them, but they're sure staying out of my chicken coop anymore."

Mitchell never should have been sued over what happened to him. But he confessed to the neighbor that he killed the dogs. I never would have admitted that fact. In fact, I would have denied the shit out of it. I would dared a posse to find the dogs, then I would have sued that albaition -owner for ever nickle his dogs ever cost me.

To me, that's justice. I don't give a damn about a deep pocket or who I can fuck out of money in court. I'll I want is what is even.

And this case sucks.


Should have counter-sued for the loss of the chickens. If he was making as much as you say, the two claims should have been offset by each other.

Posted by: Kim du Toit on February 4, 2004 02:30 PM

.. and yes, dalmatians are the most stupid, uncontrollable dogs in the world, even including our Shi-Tzu puppy.

Posted by: Kim du Toit on February 4, 2004 02:31 PM

The fault was not with the dogs, but the owner. Your neighbor was wrong to have killed them, but the judgment that your neighbor should buy new Dalmatians for the owner was also wrong.

However, the $2000 fine for cruelty to animals was right on. your neighbor should have called animal control or a local shelter. Those dogs didn't deserve to die.

Posted by: illovich on February 4, 2004 02:53 PM

Definitely he should have contersued for the loss of his livestock -- I believe killing livestock in rural areas like Texas has harsher penalties than killing pets because of the loss of income, market value, etc.

Perhaps he would have been better off the shoot them, bury them, and go on.

Posted by: Anne on February 4, 2004 02:55 PM

Better yet,kill the owner ,sell the STUPID dogs and start reporting the income you make from the damned chickens so you might have a leg to stand on.

Posted by: loiq on February 4, 2004 03:09 PM

Better yet,kill the owner ,sell the STUPID dogs and start reporting the income you make from the damned chickens so you might have a leg to stand on.

Posted by: loiq on February 4, 2004 03:09 PM

I would have held the dogs hostage for a while (if possible) and tied the dead chickens around their necks or just beat the crap out of them with the dead chickens. I have heard old farmers speak of these methods and according to them they work. The bullet would have been a last resort for me but if it had come to that I don't think I would owned up to it.

Posted by: medicmom on February 4, 2004 03:20 PM

A little judicial application of Rat Shot would have solved the situation nicely!

Posted by: Bob on February 4, 2004 03:53 PM

Urban Dwellers!!! As a teenager I worked on a farm for extra cash. We had a problem with "wild" dogs that would attack the sheep. The dogs were only wild in that they were allowed to run free in the country, but when dogs get together as a pack, and get a little blood lust going, there is now way that you would be able to separate them from their prey in any easy manner. These wild dogs ranged in size from german sheppards to beagles. We shot as many as we could before the remainder made it to the woods. Buried their sorry asses next to the lambs they killed. The ones that got away returned for more within a couple of days. The only way to stop them was to stop them for good. We never once called any neighbors, nor would it have been a good idea to drop any of the carcus' off in their yards.

Posted by: Nostradumbass on February 4, 2004 04:00 PM

Our deer lease likes smack-dab in the middle of an area populated with sheep & goat farms. (I will NOT call them ranches... We can tolerate the woolly buggers here in TX, but you are not a rancher unless you have cattle!)

At any rate, until the PETA whiners at the local university started bawling to the media, you used to get a bounty from the local Farm & Ranch bureau for bringing in coyote and wolf hides. They also didn't balk at paying for the occasional stray German Shepherd or Rottie that got loose on a sheep farm.

You may love your pet dogs, and I'm fond of them myself, but here's a quick Animal Behavior lesson. You take some asshole who gets tired of Bowser shitting on his rug, and he runs the dog out to the country and sets him loose "to find a better life", it takes that dog all of 3 days to revert to a feral state. Once that steady stream of kibble and Alpo dries up, your sweet little pooch is gonna start snacking on anything that smells good, and a newborn lamb or kid covered with blood and slime smells mighty nice.
Put three or four wild dogs together, and they quickly learn to act as a team, and can decimate a flock in no time at all.

Now, the neighbor that just has his Pekingese get loose is not the problem. It's the repeat offenders, destructive dogs, coupled with oblivious "not my precious baby, he'd never hurt a fly" neighbors that cause the worst issues. Sadly, this attitude often also applies to their offspring.

Sorry, you PETA Pussies. Failure to control your animal that results in economic loss to me or my neighbors is a one way trip to doggie heaven. It'll be quick and as cruelty-free as I can manage, I promise! A .257 Ackley Improved delivered to the boiler room drops 'em before they know they're dead.

Posted by: El Capitan on February 4, 2004 07:15 PM

People cryin' about the poor doggies getting shot while killing livestock give me a royal pain in the ass. I have to go out and kill the animals/fowl that are draggin' their intestines behind them, have their wings and/or legs torn off, teats or testicles removed, trying to crawl or limp back to the barn and presumed safety, while simultaneously being eaten by packs of dogs.

I have actually caught dogs before and called animal control. It took them 5 days to come pick up the dogs. This was after I informed them that since the bastards were eatin' my livestock, don't expect me to haul food OR water to 'em. And I didn't. I had to take all those days off from work and wait for animal control to show up whenever. They told me to just shoot 'em next time, they were understaffed and couldn't get around to all the dogs.

So if your happy playful lab is dinin' on my critters, I'm not going to go for any merciful kill. I'm going for the gut shots, because I want it to make it home before it expires painfully. And I want you to have to spend AT LEAST as much in vet bills as I have to. I WANT you to come and sue me. I would really like to find out where you live.

I've run off a pack of 6 huntin' dogs now for 3 or 4 days in a row. Today I took out the .410. If they're back tomorrow, the 12-gauge is comin' out, and I'll have some fresh fence decorations. Come pick up the body, and pay the bill.

Posted by: SwampWoman on February 4, 2004 08:58 PM

If the local (probably overworked and understaffed/paid) Animal Control *had* picked up the dogs, one of two things would have occurred:

1) The owner would have paid to get the dogs and possibly - possiibly! have been forced to restrain them better, given the leash laws.

2) He wouldn't have bothered and AC would have destroyed them.

Either way, restraining them and getting AC to take them would have been cheaper for our farmer. If they'd attacked him while he was attempting to restrain them, or even threatened to, *then* he could have shot them and it would have been justifiable (under the eyes of the law, I'm not talking about my own opinon, which is below).

Me? I grew up on farms. I would have packed some bird shot and given those poor, stupid mutts a major case of ass-bleed. Probably also fortified the chicken coop. If they came back, then rinse, repeat. Sooner or later they'd get the idea.

I also agree with Kim. He should have counter-sued. Either he didn't have a lawyer or his lawyer was an idiot. This kind of thing goes on quite often in farm country.

The dogs' owner was really at fault, but our chicken farmer didn't act too intelligently, either.

Just my dollar three eighty

Posted by: Andy on February 4, 2004 09:15 PM

Old Saying--the three "S's"



Shut up

Posted by: jb on February 4, 2004 09:59 PM

Animal Control sucks(city,ranch-where-ever they're supposed to be).Only good for shoveling carcases off the road,when they get around to it.
I love you're opinions on just about all subject matter.Keep you're saddles blazing!

Posted by: loiq on February 5, 2004 12:10 AM

Those dumbdumbs that aren't responsible for their pets are the same ones that have screaming kids running through the store.
When they go on vacation they paint the kids face with honey so they can get a pic of a bear licking the brats face.

Rhyychus ijits

Posted by: wes jackson on February 5, 2004 02:05 AM

Well after leaving the military I was the parish AC. Revised LA statutes plainly state that an officer or citizen may kill any dog or cat on public or private property attacking or attempting to attack any person or other animal.
I can't count the number of loose dogs I had to shoot. Local mayors would call me out and even buy me ammo. If a local property owner called and had animal problems I made a visit and left them with a copy of the law.
Best job I ever had. They gave me a badge, a gun, a truck and told me to make up the law as I went.

Posted by: Bullshark on February 5, 2004 09:39 AM

Mitchell should have buried the dogs and been done wth everything,. I agree with JB's three esses. Ands SHUT UP is number one.

Posted by: Acidman on February 5, 2004 10:23 AM

...the minute that someone's dog invades my property, it is dead meat....I live in a rural community.....and grew up shooting feral dogs that killed my Uncle's cows...they are dangerous.....where I come from, if you have a "pet", you take care of it, and make sure it disturbs no one else... dogs running without collars or being kept on a leash are trouble...

...he should have just buried I have MANY times, and kept his mouth shut....

Posted by: Eric on February 5, 2004 08:10 PM

The fault was not with the dogs, but the owner. Your neighbor was wrong to have killed them, but the judgment that your neighbor should buy new Dalmatians for the owner was also wrong." - Illovich

Ummm... Nope. If it's in your yard: it's a pet. If it's in my yard, it's a varmint. I *may* warn someone once to keep their animals away from my pets or my stock... but I'm not obligated to.

The neighbor was perfectly right to shoot those dogs dead. The judge was perfectly wrong to levy the judgement against him.

Killing stock's a bit more serious here in Texas, evidentally: out in the area of rural Texas I live in, a call to animal control or the Sherrif's Dept on a dog on your property chasing stock tends to get a response of "Do you own a rifle? It'll probably be gone by the time we get there if you wait."

Don't let your dogs chase livestock, pets, or people on someone else's property, Illovich - that's what .22-250's were invented for.

Posted by: Ironbear on February 7, 2004 11:51 AM

Ive got chickens and no matter how much the coop is *fortified* stray dogs will still manage to dig in somewhere.The neighbours dogs kept kiling my chooks so I warned him many times(yelling and screaming at him and asking politely)..he never listened.I shot BOTH dogs out of self defense of my chickens.HE came over a day later and I said I hadnt seen the dogs for days and thank goodness they had stopped killing my chooks.The said dogs went down the offal hole..HAH

Posted by: butterflies on February 7, 2004 01:47 PM

"Ummm... Nope. If it's in your yard: it's a pet. If it's in my yard, it's a varmint." - Eric

While that may be your opinion, the courts in Pennsylvania would disagree, even in your yard it remains my pet and if you hurt it, you are liable for damages, plus are exposed to animal cruelty statutes.

It seems that the case is similar in Georgia, and I'm willing to bet it's the same in most states. So, you can call it a "varmint" all you want, but you'll be cursing the varmint while you shell out the damages and the fine, and in some cases you'll do it while you do state time.

Posted by: illovich on February 17, 2004 11:43 AM

Give what you have. To someone, it may be better than you dare to think.

Posted by: Stumpf Juliet on May 2, 2004 07:54 PM

Cultivated people foster what is good in others, not what is bad. Petty people do the opposite.

Posted by: Spikol Liz on May 3, 2004 06:53 AM

Genius is of no country.

Posted by: Latman Jane on May 20, 2004 05:09 PM
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