August 16, 2003
at the risk of sounding racist
I borrowed this idea from something I read this morning, but it started me thinking. Contrast the American response to the blackout in the northeast to how Iraqi citizens are handling their liberation.
I realize that Iraqis have a tough time now, but they had it tough under Saddam. Goddam. Which do they prefer-- a dictator who may feed them feet-first into a limb-grinder or an army bound and determined to drag them, kicking and screaming, into 21st century prosperity and freedom? They don't seem to be able to make up their minds.
I don't want to call them a bunch of stupid people, but if they continue to act stupidly, I'll draw my own conclusions. I grieve for every American death that happens in that benighted country because it is such a waste. It's a waste of a good American soldier and it's a waste of opportunity for Iraq. Those people never bitched about Saddam, because he killed all the bitchers. We don't.
We allow them to bitch and try to calm them down. We give them food and spend billions of dollars attempting to put their country back in order. They seem to hate us for that.
I'm an old-fashioned kind of guy. I have a lot of Andrew Jackson philosophy about me. If the Iraqi people don't have the patience or the will to accept freedom and prosperity, then let's wash our hands of this sump on the face of the planet and be done with them. Forget being humane or kind to those ungrateful people. Show them what an occupying army actually acts like. Burn 'em. Shoot 'em. Kill 'em. Hang 'em. Put a combat boot on their necks.
I know that American soldiers would never do such a thing. That's what makes me proud of our soldiers. Other invading armies have done every bit of that and more, but we won't. We don't. We are civilized.
I'm just sick and tired of the demonstrations, the killing and the pure dumbassery being displayed by the Iraqi population. I am not certain that THEY are civilized. I'm beginning to wonder if these people deserve freedom.
They obviously don't know how to handle it.
The real purpose of this war is to try to establish a secular democracy in the middle east. A place where the people can build a new Arab identity that is able to compete with the West in trade and science, and thus give them the self respect they need to conquer their insane jealous hatred of us. If we give up on that, we lose.
ASM, I am not suggesting that we give up. I'm suggesting that this fight is going to be more difficult than we expected. People with a long history of NEVER having freedom don't automatically embrace the idea.
Expect lots of whining.
ACIDMAN, you're right. The Russians whined for years after the fall of the Soviet Union. Some of them are still whining.
We just need to be patient, and that's going to be hard on our troops. But our soldiers have done much harder jobs (where would you rather be? Postwar Iraq or Guadalcanal in 1942?). There are a lot of Iraqis that are helpful and friendly, especially the more educated among them, the doctors and the teachers, who will have a great effect on their countrymen, as long as we are there to give them a chance to establish a liberal society by keeping the totalitarian fuckwits busy losing shootouts with GIs. "Bring it on!"
I understand your frustration, though. This is costing us American lives and billions of dollars, yet some of the Iraqis are whining about being inconvenienced. Makes me want to strangle the little fucks.
We need a few hundred public hangings of Ba'athist sympathizers. Worked well enough in Germany.
I think everyone's a bit too limp-wristed to let that happen today, though.
Mr Lion has it right.
But can you imagine the wussy's on CNN, NBC, etc ?? They even moaned over our killing the juniors in a fire fight...
"We need a few hundred public hangings of Ba'athist sympathizers. Worked well enough in Germany.
I think everyone's a bit too limp-wristed to let that happen today, though."
"But can you imagine the wussy's on CNN, NBC, etc ?"
Right on, well said! It's the Saddam holdouts who keep sabotouging reconstruction of the power system. It seems that with 20 plus million Iraquis there would be enough who were ballsy enough, and willing to quit complaining long enough, to round up the bad guys and eliminate them with extreme prejudice. Find them, try them and hang them. Problem solved, next item?
And the "wussies" on CNN and NBC can go right on with their wussying. They will simply find something else to wussy about, and their credibility is zilch to anyone with an ounce of comprehension anyhow. So how is their opinion relevant?
"I'm just sick and tired of the demonstrations, the killing and the pure dumbassery being displayed by the Iraqi population. I am not certain that THEY are civilized. I'm beginning to wonder if these people deserve freedom."
The demonstrators, the killers, and the dumbasses are the vast minority of Iraqis. There are 24.6 million people in that country. The vast majority of them are working, rebuilding, going on with their lives. But since that don't sell papers, you only hear about the whiners and the thieves.
Because whining and thievery doesn't take any effort. Just ask your friendly neighborhood socialist.