Gut Rumbles

June 21, 2006

got me thinking...

I never served in the military. I won the draft lottery in the early 1970s and never donned a uniform or laced up a pair of combat boots. Lucky me.

Naw, I went to Armstrong State College and then to the University of Georgia instead of going to Vietnam. I guess that makes me a "chickenhawk" for supporting our troops today from 5,000 miles away from the shooting and the roadside bombs.

It's probably a good thing that I DID NOT go to Vietnam. I was a young, dumb, full of cum athlete who watched a lot of John Wayne movies. I would have gotten my ass shot off, or ended up more cynical about my government than I am today. (If that last part is possible.)

It's easy for me to sit here at a computer and say "go get 'em!" to young men and wimmen headed for Iraq. All that costs ME is the price of a few meals, a couple of drinks or a standing ovation when they pass by in the Atlanta airport. It ain't like I'm putting MY ass on the line with them.

I'm old and decrepit now... but I wonder... how different would my life be today if I had been drafted or enlisted back in 1972?

My daddy, who served in the Navy and was about as patriotic as any man I ever knew, once told me that he would have financed a trip to Canada for me if I had been drafted when I received my 1-A notice in the mail. I was shocked when I heard him say those words.

MY daddy? Wanting to PAY for me to run to Canada during a WAR? I wouldn't have taken that offer. No way. I did my best to stay OUT of that fight, but if the cards had fallen differently, I would have gone. No question about it.

I didn't like what I saw on CBS News every night, but I trusted my government back then. Besides, being a soldier was an honorable profession to me--- it still IS--- but I'm glad that I didn't have to serve when the time was ripe for me.

Vietnam was a shitty war, and we didn't fight it right. (May Robert MacNamara rot in hell, right beside LBJ, in a seat close to the fire.) I believe that the war in Iraq is what we need to be doing, not just for the good of the country but for the good of the WORLD, too. I just hope we have the guts to fight it right.

Anybody who believes that radical Islam is NOT a threat to this country (including "The Children") is a got-dam fool. If I were a young man now, I would want to enlist and fight in THAT war. It's a just cause. It's the right thing to do.

And if that makes me a 54 year-old chickenhawk, so be it.


Nobody's called me a chickenhawk to my face yet, but a few have hinted.

Those who know me are sometimes shocked to find out that I tried to enlist after the Vietnam war was over.

I was rejected because I've got a bad foot.

Now I'm too old, by about twenty years.

So, all those who even think about calling me a chickenhawK:

Are you saying that because I'm disabled and elderly (by military standards) that I'm not allowed to advocate a position on the war that disagrees with your own? I mean, I'm sure that if I were saying we should get out now, you wouldn't have any problem with that, now would you?

Posted by: refugee on June 21, 2006 10:49 AM

Refugee, just when do you want to fight this war? Should we wait until some radical Muslim Cleric has declared war on the United States? Opps never mind they already have. How about we wait until some Muslim radical cuts off your head and offers it to Allah because you disagreed with his views? Islam has never ever moved from its path of world domination or destruction of anyone not bowing down to Allah. There have been varying methods but in the end its either convert or die. You can advocate any position you want that is your right,, its also my right to point out that you just might be a moron.

Posted by: james old guy on June 21, 2006 11:23 AM


Acidman can do his own dissing.
He never said you can't have a opinion, he merely states that, if you don't think that radical islam is a threat, that you are got-dam fool.

You are most probably a disabled and elderly got-dam fool.

Nevermind the above.
I do have a dog in this fight.
My life will be affected if radical islam wins.
This is a bigger threat that adolf hitler and nazi germany

Posted by: KeesKennis on June 21, 2006 11:50 AM

Agree with Acidman and the above. Simply because I didn't sign up right out of High School (and in my case, think Navy or National Guard instead of John Wayne!)) doesn't mean I issue a license to Muslims to saw off my head!

Posted by: Cappy on June 21, 2006 05:55 PM

Uh, I'm sorry, I get chickenhawk whispers and echoes from my liberal family and former friends because I fully support the war, even though I will never be able to fight in it unless it flares up Over Here and I find myself in the resistance.

I support the war Over There precisely because I don't want to see it Over Here.

All I wanted to do was to trot out my response to the charge that because I've never served my support of the war doesn't count. (Most of those who question me on this point have never even tried to enlist.) For what it's worth, my opponents do back down from trying to say I'm not enitled to my opinion on account of having never served, However, the fact that I think that war is occasionally necessary, as it is now, in and of itself apparently renders me incompetent to have an opinion.

When I said "you", I was speaking to those who would bring the chickenhawk charge, not to Rob.

Again, my apologies for the confusion. (Although I have to admit, I've never heard the term "chickenhawk" applied to anyone who opposed the war, and I'm surprised it was taken that way here.)

Posted by: refugee on June 21, 2006 06:54 PM


I will defend you against anyone calling you or anyone else a "chickenhawk" about the war in Iraq.

Because there is no war in Iraq. Congress never constitutionally declared war.

So you cannot be so accused.

Posted by: jb on June 21, 2006 09:03 PM

I see jb,the one trick pony is back again.
Tell the troops fighting in Iraq they are not in a war.
Then run for cover.

Posted by: Henry Blowfly on June 21, 2006 11:51 PM

Going by that theory Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, and this "middle eastern conflict" aren't wars either. And techically they aren't. BUT, it's still just as nasty, with a lot of casualties on each side. So in my book, it's a war. (The last time we actually declared war was Dec 11, 1941 against Germany)

Vietnam was way before my time, but there is one song that totally makes me glad I missed it. And that would be 'Sam Stone" by John Prine. And in all actuality I wish I could miss out on this "broo-haha" now.

And no, I am not saying this war doesn't need to be faught or anything like that, I am just sick over the controversy. I say we pull out some bombs and let 'em fly. You don't see Japan messing with us now do you?

Posted by: Steph on June 22, 2006 04:16 AM

As a soldier, let me say this:

I would rather have people who have not served in the military saying "Go get 'em!", than the idiots we have currently spewing "CHIMY MCHITLERBURTON LIED, PEOPLE DIED!" any day of the week.

People use the chickenhawk insult because they have nothing else on their side. No facts, no logic, no truth, and no reality. When I hear someone calling a person a chickenhawk, I know he's a loser without a clue.

Posted by: Raging_Dave on June 23, 2006 09:08 PM
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