Gut Rumbles

October 22, 2005

Shark Bait

This woman is truly a bloodless cunt. I don't care if she's crazy or not - anyone who could do such a thing to her own children deserves an eternity of torture, demons plucking at her eyeballs, the Lake of Fire.

Just like that Andrea Yates woman. I don't understand why in the hell these wimmin who go off the deep end even defend themselves in court. Why do they want to live? How can they go through every day with the memory of their precious babies, the looks on their little faces as they realized that their mother - their protector, their greatest defender - hated them so much that she was willing to murder them with her own hands? How in the world could someone keep going after that...much less plead not guilty?

I have zero sympathy. She knew she had a mental problem, had known for years. She had all the care the system could offer, and probably free to boot. She had meds for stabilization, meds she willfully dropped, meds that possibly could have averted the tragedy. Suicide watch? Why bother? Let her go to the hell she created for herself.

And then she has the gall to stand up and plead herself innocent to the judge. "Not guilty", my fat white ass. Give me five minutes with the bitch, five minutes alone. I'll show the selfish twat not guilty...


Um well the problem with that rant, is that "crazy"does not know it's crazy". it's horrible, it's awful, it offends those of us women that are mothers, but to expect the hells to open up and swallow her,is wishful thinking. She's crazy, in the truest sense of the word. Oh and, ""She knew she had a mental problem, had known for years. She had all the care the system could offer, and probably free to boot. """, Eeeeeks, this smells real bad. CRAZY is crazy, and the exact nature of this kind of mental illness, is that YOU don't know there's anything wrong.And you don't know, that you Need the medication, to not be Crazy. Oh you do, when you're on the medication, but not when you're not..... I have a very close friend, as well as a family member ,, I know from where I speak.
So far as pleading guilty or not/ again, I highly doubt she's pleading on her own behalf. Some lawyer is doing it for her, because she doesn't get the magnitude of her crime, likely never will. That's what they do, lawyers.I'd imagine in her world, it really matters little the whole goings on of """our society, and court"", that's just to apease us, the ones with the outrage.To her, this is just probably the most attention, and as many meals as she ever had in her whole a dog, rescued from some horrific life, it's finally all about her. If justice really worked, they'd have carted her off to the nut ward, and gave her a nice 'permanent room",,,,, Like, we're going to feel better because she gets life in prison,? and she's mental? Oh boy, sure, that makes sense to me. The outrage belongs on the the back of the usual suspect. Why was a woman 23 years old ,mentally ill, a permanent thing, not a post partum depression, but real illness,with 3 children living in a damn shelter in Ca, in this day and age?Where are the safe guards? There's no sense being mad at the "nut', be mad at how it was allowed to happen in the first place. just my HO

Posted by: keeper of the dogs on October 22, 2005 04:44 PM

At one point, the Grandmother had possession of the children, and the Mother went to court and took them back. Hell is exactly where she belongs.

Posted by: Gahrie on October 22, 2005 05:20 PM

Sure, typical, that's why these things keep happening. Everyone help lynch the nit, and don't bother looking at how this was allowed to happen in the first place. And as far as ""23 fucking years old and had THREE kids already? """, Umm, I'm going to hate putting it in these words, but did none of you have a local "tard", that was the reciever of every imaginable injustice? Well there was more than on in my neighborhood, and they couldn't remember the sex, let alone," who they did it with.'.I dunno, this looks like stick my head in the sand, and "I've done my part", the appropriate "outrage "has been shown. Pizz on it, If you think it will fix everything to lynch her, let's do it!!! I'll lead the group, Let's show up at the court and start screaming ""death to the skitzo bitch!!!!"""
Actually, naaaa, go without me,,, I'm a bit worried about who they'd ""lynch"

Posted by: keeper of the dogs on October 22, 2005 05:45 PM

Keeper, this must be your first time visiting this site.

Or did you expect a "kinder, gentler" Gut Rumbles in Rob's absence?

Posted by: Queenie on October 22, 2005 05:53 PM

Absolutely not Queenie, I fact , the reason I attend the site at all, is for the honesty, I did not however realize that only like minded opinions would be allowed. If that's the case I can certainly remove my "azz back to the other places I've been",and frequent , and umm, are respected, for MY opinion.

Posted by: keeper of the dogs on October 22, 2005 05:57 PM

If you look at the clinical research you'll find that the mentally ill decompensate and become psychotic and THEN stop taking their medications. Not a willful desire to be insane, which is a terrifying feeling.

Posted by: Don McArthur on October 22, 2005 06:23 PM

My goal is to sterilize everyone at birth. ;) And then they have to prove that they're worthy of having kids...and then only get to have them once they're over the age of 30. :) Only then do they get the surgery to let them breed...

As for this case, it's a terrible shame...but I'm choosing to blame no one else other than the mother. Schizophrenia is a terrible disease, but people who aren't schizophrenics shouldn't write off people with the disease or suddenly decide those people can't be responsible for anything they do. This woman should be medicated and then put in prison for the rest of her life, if for no other reason that to protect society from her. I feel bad for her, but...whatever. Too bad.

Posted by: U on October 22, 2005 06:24 PM

Funny how he uses the loaded word 'lynch' to not-so-subtly imply racism, when you mentioned a crazed white woman in the same post, and...let me check...

Nope, the only color mentioned was in reference to your fine white ass. So, who's the race-baiter here?

At least I haven't mentioned that the California State Prison system will doubtless to be relieved that three future inmates will not be processed into the system in about ten years.

And I suppose that me saying that is racist, as well?

Posted by: Bane on October 22, 2005 06:46 PM

That's just not true, Don. And I've read the research, written some of it, and worked a great deal with the target populace.

Simple explanation? They're nuts. And it doen't help when they sell their meds (quite often right outside the pharmacy) to buy street drugs.

While crude, and it'll never happen, 'U's suggestion re sterilization is a good one, if only for criminals and the mentally ill, which are often contained in one person.

Posted by: Bane on October 22, 2005 06:50 PM

Why does she plead innocent? So that her court appointed lawyer (courtesy of the American taxpayer) can run up his bill as he goes mano a mano with the prosection who collects mucho overtime (courtesy of the American taxpayer).

Seems like the only crazy people in this story is the nut and the American taxpayer.

Posted by: Maggie on October 22, 2005 07:32 PM

Damn Chablis, I had 3 kids by the time I was 23!
Of course, I was married to their father... sadly.
And yes, I was crazy then too.

Posted by: livey on October 22, 2005 07:40 PM

Well, it's not so much that she had them, it is more her peculiar notions of cleanliness. It's always the water with you women. Why can't ya'll just shoot and bludgeon them like we do?

Posted by: Bane on October 22, 2005 07:49 PM

First of all Bane " He is a she", if you were referring to me and my comments. Second, I'm 78 years young and have been around this block ummm more than once, but that's another story,I played on many blocks, mayber even the one you're on. Race???? I sure hope, tht's not directed my way because,,, I can start a whole new blog,,about that,,,,
Basically what I see here, is those who chose to stick their heads up their azz, and make a lot of noise, but otherwise be completely ineffectual. That's about right. Carry On, Gung Ho,, too Too and all that Jazz, .Why you want a """BLOG"" with all the inplications of responsible journalism, if you're just going to run another yahoo closed club. Shit we had those for the last 20 years.

Posted by: keeper of the dogs on October 22, 2005 08:44 PM

Oh, darlin, bein old don't buy you shit, it just means you been gettin away with it longer.

And yes, I was referring to you, and the sex of those comments matter no more than the color. It seems like race-baiting to me.

If this club was 'closed', you'd be gone by now, yet here you are, voluntarily, and of your own free will.

I am nothing but a commenter, just like you, with opinions of my own. Please do not insult me with any implication that I might ever care to be a 'journalist'. I have more respect for tranvestite Taiwanese hookers.

Posted by: Bane on October 22, 2005 09:37 PM

LMAO @ Bane!
Ok, here's mah two cents. I don't believe mentally challanged folks should be ALLOWED to breed.
I'm with Chablis. I didn't have my first till I was 24, and still, at times, felt inadequate, and unprepared for the task at hand. And I'm SANE. Least I think I am....
Fry tha bitch!

Posted by: Lil Toni on October 22, 2005 10:01 PM

Jeebus! If you can't kill you OWN family then who the hell CAN you kill? Sounds like private business to me and the government should butt out. If HER mother or the mother before that had been allowed to kill obviously nutzoid family members ten generations back then we would have lots less of this kind of mayhem.
And really, it ought to be legal to kill your children until they move out of the house and support themselves or join the Army.
Especially teenagers.

Posted by: robert on October 22, 2005 11:04 PM

I started at 17 and yes I am batshit crazy, but I would never hurt my children.

Posted by: livey on October 22, 2005 11:12 PM

I gots one of them thar teenagers, Robert. At times, I thank 'bout killin' his ass. Like when he comes in from school, and I, oh so "momma-like", inquire..."How was school? Didja hava good day?" To which I get the same bologna and cheese answer....."Schoolwasfinedaywascool", at which point he, in cro-magnon- like fashion, slinks to his cave (room) to perv tha net for porn. (I'm guessin' here folks. I check his history, daily and have yet to find any.)
I BLEW one day......I'd had enuff! "Can't u at least ATTEMPT to converse with me?!"
Lil fuker.
Sooooooooo.....tha otha day, he comes in, I ask my typical momma questions, "How wuz school? Didja have a good day?"
"MOM! You won't believe this! Humath.....ya know.......tha hair-lip Pakistani......lost it when Ms. Gump asked him for his Math homework!
"You bithhhh! I told you I don't undastan ith!"
He pulled out a 9 mm and blew her head off!"
*wicked grin*
Lil chit....

Posted by: Lil Toni on October 22, 2005 11:25 PM

For that woman, suicide watch should mean that a full bevy of press is on hand to film her hanging herself while no one does a darn thing.

Posted by: Jeremy on October 23, 2005 12:31 AM

I just don't know where you're coming from with the "race '.thing. Perhaps it's my age that's getting in the way here. You see, used to be,you could go to town on Saturday, and somewhwere between, Mike's Staples, and Jim's Feed and Seed,in the city center,you could watch yourself the real justice happening. A hanging, "Lynching "we used to say. Black white,young, old, whatever,, that's what we did with them kind then. No "lethal injections" then.And for crazy sum-bitches like this woman, well we sent them to that big white bilding down the road, behind the trees, the one with the big ass fence around it. There, we stuck some electrodes on her head and turned on the power. That fixed that bitch, from doing something like that ever again.I have no problem, with anyone's opinion, but it has NOTHING to do with color,or creed.The culprit here is agency, family,doctors ... you name it, that failed to do what they're supposed to do. hell, my neighbor had child protective services come and try to take her kids, cause her dope snorting husband ALLEGED she was abusing them. But this one lives freely, in a SHELTER, with known mental problems,and no one stops it. Well ok, then you reap what you sow.Now I have to dream about the death of them damn kids every night,when I lie down,because she fell through the net. Beauty...carry on...

Posted by: keeper of the dogs on October 23, 2005 01:43 AM

I plead for mercy for her.

She's bonkers. Completely. Dangerously so.

There are 2 possibilities : either she will remain that way all her life, or she will be eventually cured.

If she's permanently and dangerously insane, the most merciful thing to do would be to put her to sleep. To terminate her tortured life in the most humane manner possible, both to remove a deadly danger to those around her, but also to relieve her suffering. Note that I don't suggest this as a general principle to be applied to anyone mentally ill, just in cases like this one, ones of multiple murder, especially infanticide.

If cured, she will face the apalling, crushing guilt of what she's done. Not that it's her fault, she's nuts, but for someone sane to live with that knowledge is crueler than anyone could possibly imagine. Have pity. Don't let her commit suicide, she may botch the job. Give her some sleeping pills, then a lethal injection in her sleep. If that disturbs your conscience, then cure her, but provide her with the means to painlessly and certainly terminate her own existence as soon as she becomes sane.

This is an awful tragedy, for all the victims. For the poor little kids, and for the mother. But worst of all is for the Grandmother. The Courts failed her.

"Relatives of a mentally troubled woman from Oakland who reported hearing voices before she allegedly threw her three young sons into the bay to die said Thursday they had tried unsuccessfully to persuade Alameda County social service workers to help them gain custody of the children." - SFGate

It's those Social Service workers who I would like to have put under the grill. Maybe they were shortstaffed, maybe it's the system. But if there's just a hint of negligence, I'd say they should be taken for a swim, in the same fashion that the kids were.

"A spokeswoman for the Alameda County Social Services Agency, Sylvia Soublet, would not discuss whether the family had contacted her agency about gaining custody.

But Soublet did say Lashuan Harris was a client.

"This family is receiving support from our agency,'' Soublet said. "Financial support, other kinds of sustainable support -- there are a lot of areas where families have issues.''

Mental illness alone would not be grounds for the agency to take children from a mother, Soublet said.

"Certainly if the grandmother were concerned, there would be other options to seek custody," she said.

While she would not say anything about any contacts the grandmother might have made with the agency about custody, she concluded: "We have not done an investigation in regard to these children." "
-- SFGate

It's too early for me to condemn Ms Soublet, she may be entirely innocent. But I'd want the investigation to be an external and formal police one, suspicion of negligent homicide. Not the usual internal cover-up.

Posted by: Zoe Brain on October 23, 2005 02:00 AM

'keeper', I suspect you are either a troll (most likely) or a nut (ditto)...

Either way, I feel sullied by wasting keystrokes on you.


Posted by: Bane on October 23, 2005 03:27 AM

Gee, it's almost like Rob never left! Queenie, you're doing an admirable job just as the others are! The next few weeks ought to be quite interesting indeed! Thanks for what you, and the others, have done so far. These next 6 weeks ought to fly by! Speaking of which, I really need to get to writing that letter to A-man. Excuse me.

Posted by: Leuthen on October 23, 2005 04:12 AM

Wow, this is almost exactly what I posted! Who'd a thunk it?

Posted by: wanda on October 23, 2005 04:17 AM

Well that's your opinion isn't it? And glory be , but my son, my dad and his dad fought , so you could have it. Don't presume because you're a "regular" here" that you're alright bud. At the end of the day, we'll get it all sorted won't we. You're just plain ignorant,
Now what I'm really interested in, is which/who/if anyone is going to get off their azz and come on down to Florida to pick up the peices, after Wilma has her say. Ummm silly me, guess you'll all be busy doing the important stuff, like running this "blog",,,,,,God and to think I gave life to 6 just like you all. Carry On,,,,,

Posted by: keeper of the dogs on October 23, 2005 05:59 AM

opps my age is showing. meant to ask, what exactly is a troll,, or is that a nice "catch phrase"", for anyone you don't want to deal with. You make me sick

Posted by: keeper of the dogs on October 23, 2005 06:02 AM

If ever there was a reason to burn someone at the stake, this is it. People like this should be dragged off and shot. I mean literally take the bitch out in the woods and put two .44 magnum rounds in her (one through each eye) and leave her corpse for the got-dam buzzards. Crazy or not, people like this are useless to themselves and society. We'd be doing them and everybody else a favor by terminating them with extreme prejudice.

Posted by: assrot on October 23, 2005 11:41 AM

Its time we changed the law from "not guilty by reason of insanity" to "GUILTY by reason of insanity", then exterminate them as we would a "mad dog". End of problem. And I missed what in the fuck a Florida Hurricane has to do with this thread.....

Posted by: Ruth on October 23, 2005 01:47 PM

I agree Ruth...this not guilty by reason of insanity shit has got to stop; it's much too convenient for much too many people.

Posted by: Lisa on October 23, 2005 02:51 PM

Lisa, great website by the way. Very inspirational. Your daughter is very lucky to have been born to such wonderful parents. It made my day, the pictures are really adorable. God Bless

Posted by: Ruth on October 23, 2005 03:19 PM

Yeah, let the social workers have at her - then she WILL have a credible insanity defense, by the time they get done screwing her up the "right" way.

Posted by: maggot on October 24, 2005 04:06 PM
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