October 09, 2005
is it real?
Is this a real threat, or is it just more of the same "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!" hyperbole we get from the mainstream media all the time? I don't know.
But I remain skeptical because I've heard pure bullshit for too long from people who are supposed to be providing accurate information. I no longer trust them. I no longer believe what they say. Of course, I expected this:
Democrats have criticized the administration for not having a plan. Sen. Tom Harkin, an Iowa Democrat, said in a statement Saturday that time for action was short.
``Having a plan on paper does nothing to protect us,'' Harkin said while urging the administration to work with Congress on implementing protections against a pandemic. ``Next month is too late. The United States is woefully unprepared for this, and we must get started immediately.''
We already have a pandemic that Congress doesn't seem to give a damn about. That's FEDERAL SPENDING. Does Harkin give a shit about THAT problem? Hell, no. He wants to spend MORE money to scare away a boogie-man that doesn't even exist yet.
If the flu hits and DOES take out "as many as 1.9 million" people, let's just hope it gets most of Congress in the process. The flu might end up being a blessing.
We could use some serious reloading there.
I don't know if the avian flu is a real threat or not. Frankly, it's not a good thing for a hypochondriac like me to think about so I've been ignoring it. But the real threat is the plan Bush is thinking about so far, that being quarantines of well people in large areas of the country, and being enforced by the US military. No matter what the problem, it seems his solution is to send in soldiers as first responders to bully the citizens. Personally, I'd rather die of the flu than live under martial law.
The donks want to have it both ways-they scream becausethere ius no government action then scream when the government takes acyion but never come up with a plan. It is a whole lot easier to scream than it is to just do something. I
I'm not a donk, Guy. I'm a libbytarian and I have never "screamed" about this administration not taking action - only about the wrong headed actions they have taken.
In terms of having a plan for the pandemic, there is no evidence that forced quarantines work and in fact, as evidenced by the mass exodus of some 250,000 residents in China when a rumor of forced evacuation surfaced, it could be more dangerous to take that route.
Isolation of the sick people makes much more sense to me.
Oh, that's rich. They spent all that time, energy and money hand-wringing over a super-flu that MIGHT POSSIBLY be a threat while New Orleans floated away. Hey, numbnuts, we HAD a real threat. It was called Hurricane Katrina. I see what preparedness got for that. Yeesh.
I'm with Libby on this one... with a much more cynical outlook.
Given that more people die of the 'regular' flu virus every year in the US than we've seen yet from the Avian bird flu across the entire freaking world so far I'm not sure where the hysteria comes from.
The story is that the US government thinks the Avian flu will mutate into something like the 1918 virus that killed 20-50 million people worldwide. Now we find out that the government has recreated the 1918 virus to the T.
FEMA has been training for Martial Law for some time... and if you don't believe me just look at what happend in NOLA. That's not a humanitarian orgazation -- FEMA's only purpose it to control the population.
Bush's answer to the problem, if it ever hapens, is Martial Law.
If The Powers That Be -want- Martial Law they're pretty close to achieving it.. they're got the reason, they've got the tools to make it happen, and they've got the population all hyped up over something that's hit like 70 people worldwide thus far.
That's a might bit frightening to me.
Funny how the people (Joni) that would never be involved with helping during a disaster seem to always be an expert. If the facts and truth was told, the Federal Government responded to Katrina above what they are supposed to. The 'welfare' crowd will never be satisfied with anything anyone does for them. Just scream for more. Hey that matches the dim-wit party also.
Another funny, everyone in America wants something done about the energy crisis, that is except the Enviro Whacko's, the nutty left wingers, and the dim-wit party. Want proof of this just check the vote in the House on the bill to allow more refineries to be constructed. 100% of the dim-wits voted no. Now when you put the $50 worth of gas ($100 in a few months) in your vehicle, thank a dim-wit, don't curse the oil industry.
They , the dim-wits, can run but they can't hide their roll call votes that put a penalty on the American people strickly for political purposes.
I agree with Acidman. If it wipes out congress it will do America a big favor. That's why the terrorists will never hit congress, even they know the majority of Americans would give them a standing ovation.
"If the facts and truth was told, the Federal Government responded to Katrina above what they are supposed to."
Facts and truth under this administration? Keep dreaming. If the federal government (which did virtually nothing), did more than it is supposed to do, then why the hell does the federal government collect tax dollars to fund this agency in the first place?
"The 'welfare' crowd will never be satisfied with anything anyone does for them. Just scream for more."
This republican administration has spent more tax dollars than any other administration period, and a large majority of their spending has gone to federal contracts and legislation favoring wealthy Bush cronies and corporate campaign contributors from the pharmaceutical, energy, banking, oil, defense, and many other industries while cutting funding to the Veterans Administration, and leaving wounded veterans without adequate health care after sending them to fight this screwed up war. They have also cut funding to programs for the mentally ill, the elderly, and the poor, so the only welfare going on during this presidency is the wealthy political donors and lobbyists bellying up to the public trough of billions in American tax dollars. The poor people have gotten a lousy $2,000 debit card while losing their entire lives in New Orleans. Big fucking deal. And those with simple median incomes that have lost their homes and their jobs down there while waiting to see that insurance companies won't pay for their losses can't even file bankruptcy and start over thanks to the holyer-than-thou assholes on the right like Tom Delay, Karl Rove and Bill Frist that don't even have a clue about intregrity and responsibility.
"Another funny, everyone in America wants something done about the energy crisis, that is except the Enviro Whacko's, the nutty left wingers, and the dim-wit party. Want proof of this just check the vote in the House on the bill to allow more refineries to be constructed. 100% of the dim-wits voted no. Now when you put the $50 worth of gas ($100 in a few months) in your vehicle, thank a dim-wit, don't curse the oil industry."
If the rising gas prices are all about supply and demand, then why are the oil companies racking up enormous, record profits now at the expense of the American people? The democrats know that the energy bill was just about giving huge tax credits to oil companies that are already making money hand over fist. So throwing more profit incentives at them won't solve the problem, but maybe if Bush would stop creating instability in the middle east with unjustified wars, prices would settle down some.
The new energy bill is just another giveaway to the oil companies. It'll do nothing to bring production up and prices down for us. I'm on my laptop today so I don't have the link handy. Basically the GOP put all the stuff that was too outrageous from the first energy bill into that one and they had to hold the vote open for almost an hour while they arm-twisted their own party members to pass it. It passed by one vote. Republicans voted against this boondoggle too. That should tell you something scrapiron.
It will be so amazing to see the miracle of the Federal Governement mutating from corruption and incompetence to efficiency and benevolence the second a Democrat president takes office. At least in the eyes of people like Craig. Seriously dude, enough with the gotdamned mantra, already. We have all heard it a million times and it is a little shopworn.
Also, anyone who doesn't realize that our lack of refining capacity is directly related to the high prices we are paying for gas is an utter fool. What do the profits of the oil industry have to do with the fact that the regulatory burden pretty much prevents the construction of new refineries and that the fact that most of our refineries are located in the same region puts them at risk to natural disasters such as Katrina?
"Seriously dude, enough with the gotdamned mantra, already. We have all heard it a million times and it is a little shopworn."
Maybe thats because the corruption and incompetence is getting real fucking shopworn to the American people asshole. And the only mantra being repeated to monotony is that of Bush and his trying desperately to tie 9/11 to Iraq. It's not working and the America public is finally realizing he is a lying sack of shit that needs to be impeached for his reckless actions in causing so many good American soldiers to die for no fucking reason.
"What do the profits of the oil industry have to do with the fact that the regulatory burden pretty much prevents the construction of new refineries and that the fact that most of our refineries are located in the same region puts them at risk to natural disasters such as Katrina?"
Oil companies have known the capacities of production for years, and THEY chose where to construct their existing refineries based on where drilling takes place. So, after years of surviving hurricanes along the same gulf coast, why all of a sudden do we have enormous retail prices that are allowing record profits for THEM? Their costs have not risen rapidly recently, yet they are simply getting away with gouging the public while this administration offers them huge tax credits and increasing profit incentives. It's called oil industry lobbyists and campaign donors in thick with an oil industry friendly administration. Real simple.