September 12, 2005
This crap is inexcusable in this country. What did the staff do? Just run off and abandon those people?
NEW ORLEANS (AP) - Forty-five bodies have been found at a hospital that was abandoned more than a week ago after it was surrounded by floodwaters unleashed by Hurricane Katrina, a state health official said Monday...
Dr. Jeffrey Kochan, a Philadelphia radiologist volunteering in New Orleans, said the team that recovered the bodies told him late Sunday it found 36 floating on the first floor.
Bejus. Heads should roll over this unconscionable behavior. But that's what you get when you elect assclowns to political office, which I believe Louisiana did with Ray Nagin and Mary Landrieu.
Sometimes "leaders" have to LEAD rather than just strut around acting important.
I got a pretty sick feeling hearing about this one on the news today as well... poor buggers...
They might have done more than just abandon them.
That would be Ray Nagin you're talking about. We need to spell his name right, so when they string him up (and I can't believe that hasn't been done yet) they'll get it right on the note they pin to his chest.
Milady is an RN at the local sawbones, and she says that the medical community will see heads roll and licenses lost before long. The medical community is outraged.
Obviously this is all George Bush's fault. He should have known from the relatively calm way the citizens of Florida responded to four (4) hurricanes hitting their state last year that everyone in New Orleans would go to pieces and freak out. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to hit myself on the head with a mallet until my thought processes are more in accord with our media masters.
Maybe those were bodies from the morgue?
I know what would happen if anyone dear to me was in one of those hospitals and was found floating on the first or any other floor.
In a few weeks, bodies would begin to be found with one .22 cal. bullet in the forehead
That's what one does with chicken killing dogs, rabid skunks, that kind of vermin.
My husband was just watching his favorite news program and that is all they were talking about. It breaks my heart knowing that those poor old people had a slow and horrible death. There is no excuse for what those fucktards did to those old folks.
The actions of one hospital staff, one not even neccessarily associated with the government, should not be immediately blamed on the mayor. That kinda logic would ultimately lay all the blame in the president's lap.
This story is obviously false.
Wasn't it Mayor Nagin that drove those folks to safety in a school bus just after he ordered a "mandatory evacuation" ?
Oppps, those school buses never moved ? You can't them to drive the school buses on a sunny day.
Someone enlighten me .. just why does New Orleans need a Mayor, a Governor or Lt. Governor whose disaster plans are MIA ?
If there was a nickel for every screw up and every dropping of the ball following Katrina, there would be enough to fund the birth of a Utopia on the Gulf.
"Bejus. Heads should roll over this unconscionable behavior."
Heads did roll. But it was a republican head as it should be. "Brownie" was finally forced out over this federal failure on Monday. Pretty much reflects the American attitude over this whole group of idiots running things in this country. It is time for a change and the fact that Bush's approval rating has come down from 90% on 9-11-01 to 38% on 9-11-05 shows his complete lack of leadership. He will try and photo-op his way out of this mess but it is far too late. He will definitely go down as the worst president ever.
I believe the people found in the water at the hospital were dead before the flooding hit. The already dead bodies were not evacuated to higher floors. Some of the other bodies found were those who passed away because lack of proper medical care. AT THE HOSPITAL.
There is a nursing home that the people just fucking abandoned and they found something like 30 dead residents. The owners are in hiding because they know their asses are looking at charges. Those poor bastards never had a chance.
It's all the fault of George W. Bush. He caused the power outage in LA too!
I'm not much for jumping to conclusions. But 36 seems to be a lot to have been dead prior to the flood so I'm sure an investigation will show culpability on some of these deaths with staff. And no, the mayor cannot be blamed directly for staff actions, but he can be blamed for not forcing the evacuation of these types of facilities earlier than a general evacuation so that staff can fend for themselves as should be their right after duties are taken care of.
This is horrible. If it were me, and the choice was to either lie there in pain and in fear or to get morph-ed up and be left in peace, I think I'd choose the latter.
But why were people forced to make that choice?
Bejus People. 45 patients die in this hospital and you all just 'assume' it was the fault of the hospital staff? What? - Did the chief of surgury just order up a hurricane and the head nurse call for 10 feet of flooding on the first floor?
For crying out loud. The hospital staff didn't just 'abandon' those patients. Some of them had died before the storm even hit - the morgue was on the first floor - plus when the water started to rise, they didn't evacuate the dead to higher floors.
Face the facts, there are a lot of people in any modern hospital that are alive only because of the technology that's available there at the hospital. Remove that technology, by killing power and flooding the emergency generator, and some of those folks are gonna die - no matter what you do.
Before evacuation, the temperature inside that building reached 106 degrees. Do you think your average 86 year old ICU patient is going to survive that? The miracle is that so many actually DID.
I've read a lot of stories about this disaster and several first-hand accounts. There were a lot of folks who staffed these hospitals in and around New Orleans who could have evacuated 'before' the storm. Yet they stayed and staffed these hospitals around the clock - for days - until they were fianally rescued - some as late as Saturday September 3rd.
Think about that for a moment. No AC in late Aug Louisiana, temps in the 100's, no way to take a bath or shower, restrooms out of commission, very little food and water; yet still needing to take care of patients - and visitors too!
(And why the hell does CNN news place a photo of a flooded nursing home room with a story about Memorial Medical Center? Damn reporters!)
"Dave Goodson, an assistant administrator at Memorial Medical Center, said patients died while waiting to be evacuated after Katrina struck, as temperatures inside the hospital reached 106 degrees.
"Family members and nurses were "literally standing over the patients, fanning them," he said. "These patients were not abandoned."
Until proven otherwise, I'm willing to give these folks the benefit of the doubt. Some of them are hero's.
Let's not forget Kathleen Blanco! She's the one who kept the Red Cross out of the city because "if you give a refugee a water bottle, Lord knows he'll do all he can to stay in the middle of the flood. Even if you give them busses you can't get them to leave" . . . or something.
This was how her excuse went, anyway. Until she remembered to blame it on George Bush. I can't wait to see her chickens come home to roost.
Thank you, Roy, for bringing in that quote by Goodson, I was going to but you beat me to it. And about getting your facts before jumping to conclusions, I first read that report last night on Yahoo news. Not exactly an obscure source.
BTW, since the school buses were mentioned, let me briefly point out something I wrote about on my blog more extensively. Mayor Nagin had no control over the busses seen parked in that infamous photo. They are owned and controlled by the Orleans Parish School Board, which is completely autonomous and independent, sometimes to the point of being downright ornery. If anyone is to blame for not rolling those buses out, they are.
that is sad, but last nite on our NEWS they had a brief about seven hundred chickens that were saved from certain death, when the farm that they were raised on "abandoned 'them, now don't fret they are being found new homes, and none of them will end up in the slaughter house, they supposedly make really good pets, priorities
Subject: What happened in New Orleans
Date Sent: 12 Sep 2005 10:33 PM
Was President Bush Forced to Use the Insurrection Act?
Written by Barbara J. Stock
Tuesday, September 06, 2005
Hurricanes do not sneak up on people. Unlike tornadoes, hurricanes don’t just reach down out of the dark storm clouds to wreak havoc on humanity Hurricanes are tracked, named, have warning flags dedicated to them, and all coastal cities have long-standing plans for dealing with them. Nearly everyone in the world knew Katrina was going to hit Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama, and yet so many have died in New Orleans. Why?
Hurricane Katrina struck the tip of southern Florida as a category 1 hurricane and made a beeline for the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico. For three days Katrina churned her way across the Gulf, growing in size and strength until it was a monster storm. With sustained winds of over 175 mph, Katrina bore down on the city of New Orleans. Literally, at the last possible moment, Katrina was pushed, ever-so-slightly, by dry air from the Midwest, off to the East and dropped from a category 5 to a high category 4 with sustained winds of 150 mph. Katrina was still a killer storm by anyone’s description. For three long days, the governor of Louisiana and the mayor of New Orleans watched Katrina bear down on their stateand city respectively but took very little action to protect their citizens other than to state the obvious: “Leave town.” No assistance was offered to the poor or elderly.
Aerial views of New Orleans have shown pictures of hundreds of buses, left parked and unused. Why didn’t the mayor of New Orleans activate those buses to move the people out of the city those who wanted to leave but had no way out? Why was this golden opportunity to save lives left parked, only to be lost to the floodwaters? This from the Louisiana disaster plan, pg. 13, paragraph 5, dated 01/00: “The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating'...” Why was the city’s own disaster plan for using those buses to evacuate people not implemented? Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin had three days to evacuate the poor and elderly from New Orleans but they did not. Why?
While the governors of both Mississippi and Alabama put in a formal request for federal assistance before Katrina even made landfall, the governor of Louisiana refused to relinquish any of her power for the good of the people. Now she and her party point the finger of blame at the White House.
Liberal blogs and websites are pointing to the Department of Homeland Security’s website which states that it can take control in any disaster, natural or otherwise, but this is not true. The Department of Homeland Security can only work with the state and local officials in organizing relief efforts such as food, water, and shelter. There is no military arm of the Department of Homeland Security or the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and the military is what was needed and everyone knew that.
Instead of asking why the Democratic leaders of Louisiana failed the people, these sites post disgusting pictures of floating bodies with the message: “George Bush did nothing.” The truth is, the Democratic governor wouldn’t allow Bush to do anything. That floating body belongs to Governor Blanco. She is the one who “did nothing.”
Roving bands of violent criminals quickly took control of the streets. While Mayor Nagin did declare martial law, it was a toothless declaration. The New Orleans police department was instantly overwhelmed. Many policemen just threw up their hands and walked off the job. Some joined the looters and were videotaped by MSNBC “shopping” in the local Walmart. The handful that was left on the job did their best but the best they could do was try to stay alive in a now lawless and dying city.
Because there was no one in charge, the initial rescue operations were feeble at best and there was chaos. The scope and magnitude of the disaster, which covers an area the size of Great Britain, still had not been realized by Governor Blanco who steadfastly refused to declare martial law and officially request that the federal government “send in the troops.”
It has come to light that all during the night on Friday, September 2, the president of the United States was forced to “negotiate” with Governor Blanco for the lives of the suffering and dying people of New Orleans. She feared that allowing the federal government to take control would make her administration appear as though it had failed. How she would be judged was more important to her than the lives of those people who were dying in the squalor. How many died as Blanco maneuvered to protect her reputation?
The Posse Comitatus Act prevents, by federal law, the president of the United States from sending federal troops into any state without the direct request of the elected governor of that state. A frustrated President Bush could only stand by and watch as the horror unfolded until he received the request for help. Despite the finger-pointing at President Bush, there was little that he could do until he was formally asked for assistance. No matter how loudly the liberals scream, they know full well that the president was helpless to do much of anything.
As the death toll rose and the animalistic behavior of some of those who chose to remain within the city became public knowledge, it was obvious that authorities needed to regain control. As the scenes from New Orleans, now a national disgrace, were being beamed around the world, a shameless Governor Blanco only cared about her own political image.
There is reason to believe that President Bush, running out of patience with Blanco by Saturday morning, used the only option that remained to him. It is being reported that Bush went around Blanco and utilized the Insurrection Act to federalize the National Guard and send in active military troops to take over the rescue and put down the lawlessness that had taken over New Orleans. The forces that Bush had poised to move into the city, swung into action. It was no accident that the major, organized rescues began when the sun came up on Saturday morning. At 6:30 AM, when the sky over New Orleans was suddenly filled with military helicopters and military convoys poured into the streets, they were there because of President Bush, not Governor Blanco.
The largest military evacuation the world has ever seen moved with the precision and efficiency that is only seen within the military. With men like Lt. General Russel Honore, 1st Army Commander and Army Brigadier General Mark Graham in charge, law and order was quickly restored, and an endless line of helicopters and boats began removing the stranded people and taking them out of the hell-hole called New Orleans. Those forces were ready to act because the President of the United States had positioned them to be ready.
Everyone demands answers and everyone wants to put the blame for this catastrophe on someone. The most convenient person to blame is President Bush. In truth, he is the least responsible on the local level. While the liberals feel this is the perfect time to make political hay because so many African-Americans are involved, the first line of defense for those people, the mayor of New Orleans, and governor of Louisiana, both Democrats, are the leaders that failed them. The people of New Orleans were abandoned by an arrogant governor and a hapless mayor as both struggled to save their own political careers. But, because they are both Democrats, the leftists want these ineffective leaders seen as helpless victims of a thoughtless and racist Bush who ignored their repeated pleas for help.
Mayor Nagin has been reduced to babbling about how the CIA is out to kill him because he “spoke his mind,” and Governor Blanco has become the invisible woman hoping that no one will notice that her gross incompetence and arrogance cost lives. But the left marches on, blaming President Bush because it knows it can. Most Americans are not aware of the laws preventing the federal government from “taking over” a city or a state.
The Democrats have closed ranks around their incompetent members and blame the president who was forced to “deal” with an inept governor. Governor Blanco’s thanks is to point the finger of blame back at the president when she knows the fault is her own
The Democratic Party could not possibly sink much lower than it has this past week. The mayor, the governor, and all those liberal websites, blogs, and shrieking leftist politicians should jump into the sewer water that now flows in the streets of New Orleans. That’s where they belong, with the rest of the floating waste. The Democratic or “Progressive” Party should be buried with the dead. Cause of death: Gross incompetence, asphyxiation from lies, and the failure to accept responsibility for the deaths of thousands of American citizens because power meant more to them than lives.
They be struttin' important and acting impotent.....
I still say wait for the dust to settle to make such grand judgements, but keep in mind that it wasn't until after the hurricane hit that the levee broke. This means the three days warning is bull, because after the hurricane hit, they thought they had "won". The hurricane had passed and New Orleans was intact.
Then the levee broke.
And it broke... why?Because the sheeple of Louisiana kept voting in incompetents (Democrats, y'know, that makes it alright), who did nothing for years to ensure their own safety. Mommy and Daddy Federal Gubmint was supposed to do that job. Dig a hole in the ocean, build a city, and take no responsibility for protecting it from that sure thing huge storm that would eventually show up. New Orleans, like every local gubmint body I've ever seen, routinely blows obscene amounts of tax money on damn near anything but what's needed. Levee building seems to be less important than attracting tourists, hyping up riverboat casinos, don't forget Mardi Gras, and so on. Let's get all the money we can while the gettin's good, folks, there ain't no storm comin' 'round here anytime soon. The levees can wait. Well, we've seen where that led.But the duly elected black Democrat Mayor did squat for days before the storm, did squat (those school busses awash in 5 feet of water? 12,000 people could have been evacuated per run if he'd used them) when the storm came ashore, and then got the vapors and ran in circles screaming about... what else... the Federal gubmint and Bush not saving their asses. The duly unelected race-baiters like Jackson and Sharpton (not to mention the useless rapper-type 6th-grade dropouts) are carrying the same tune. Oh, and don't forget the Democrat Gubnor who refused to grant the Feds permission to do something. Bush had some legal maneuvering to do to get a way to run the military on in there to restore order. The moonbats are still squawking and shitting like pigeons over it. Sometimes (no, often) I wonder what planet these people came from (besides California). You just can't make up people like these.
I want some of what Buck's been smoking. What channel you been watching there Buck? I guess Bush kept on playing the guitar at John McCain's b-day party while waiting for Gov. Blanco to "allow" him to come help? And if Gov. Blanco was keeping Dumbya from coming to the rescue, then why did FEMA turn away trucks with water and food, and keep voluntary firefighters and police from around the nation from jumping in immediately to help? The federal idiots were hindering the whole damn screwed up operation while individual volunteers heeded the call. It was the American people who came to the rescue, NOT fucking Bush and his merry band of clueless idiots. You need to wake up son, and quit listening to Brush Lintball for your only news source. You are definitely in la-la land on this one.
The state department of homeland security kept the Red Cross and FEMA from taking food and water into N'awlins. Their excuse was that they wanted to get people out of the SuperDome and didn't want to feed or water them because that would make it a magnet for more people to go there.
Ray Nagin was screaming for supplies and the governor was keeping them out.
You must be listening to Stewart Smalley too much.
"The state department of homeland security kept the Red Cross and FEMA from taking food and water into N'awlins. Their excuse was that they wanted to get people out of the SuperDome and didn't want to feed or water them because that would make it a magnet for more people to go there."
Send me the link on this one Stinky. I would love to read YOUR version of this ludicrous excuse. You FOX news devotees pretty much live in a little fantasy world of your own don't you? Let me guess, FOX is also reporting that Bush's new approval ratings are at an all time high? Yeah, keep on dreaming.