Gut Rumbles

August 28, 2005

where religion goes wrong

I am an athiest. I don't believe in God or any kind of afterlife, and I didn't come to those conculsions easily. I did a LOT of reading before I made up my mind.

Churches were the center of the community when the west was settled. People came together to help a neighbor when times were hard and the church organized all that effort. You needed a barn raised? You needed milk for the babies after your husband died? The church took care of that.

After my father died, the church was very good to my mama. The members kept an eye on her and were always ready to help if she needed a hand. They took care of the old widow-womman. When she was bald-headed from the chemo treatments, every woman in the church wore crazy hats one day to make mama feel better about wearing hers.

That's what churches are supposed to do.

She left that church a lot of money when she died, and I have no complaints about that fact. Those people are what Christians are supposed to be.

But I DO NOT like stories such as this one. There is a BIG difference between being religious and being a zealot.

Too many people don't know the difference.


Fred Phelps is no more representative of all Christians and other religious folk than Jimmy Carter or Cynthia McKinney are representative of all Georgians. (...though McKinney does seem to represent that particular House district in Atlanta.)

Phelps and his followers are nutballs - plain and simple - just like the other high-profile idiots who have been in the news lately. He claims to be a Christian - a Baptist even, but anybody can "claim" to be anything, but that doesn't make it so.

The only reason you ever hear about him at all is because of this high-profile nitwittery. The MSM loves to use him and his ilk to tar other good religious people like the members of your mother's church.

Isn't it strange that you rarely see news stories about religious folks coming together to help someone such as your mom. For every idiot like Phelps, there are tens of thousands like your mom.

Posted by: Roy on August 28, 2005 03:29 PM

You are correct, Roy. But those people, who actually practice what they preach, NEVER make the headlines.

That's a crying shame.

Posted by: Acidman on August 28, 2005 03:50 PM

Those Assholes we're here in Indiana a few years ago and I got into it w/ several of them. I kept it civilised but it took some restraint on my part.

I engaged more of them for awhile via email and even some of the "leaders" would spambomb me with hate filled shit. I got a good look into the way they twist a few Bible verses into a program of hate.

Nope, definately NOT Christians. The worker Drones are totally brainwashed. A move to Guinia would be a positive developement. There they could drink the Koolaid for real.

Posted by: jmon on August 28, 2005 04:04 PM

Makes a person sad that ostensibly the same ideas that allowed some to be so kind to your mother can turn others so utterly ignorant and hateful.

Posted by: Axinar on August 28, 2005 04:43 PM

Phelps is just another closet case railing against what he secretly desires.

Posted by: El Capitan on August 28, 2005 05:01 PM

Phelps is no more representative of Christians than Stalin--who oversaw the death of tens of millions--was representative of atheists.

Posted by: Juliette on August 28, 2005 05:09 PM

"But those people, who actually practice what they preach, NEVER make the headlines."

When you do, you have no reason to preach. It takes longer for people to get the word that way, and patience isn't a thing most people are known for. However, when you have headlines, you may have people's immediate attention, but it doesn't last. When you are what you claim to be, the people's attention that you garner and that learn from what you have to say...learn for life.

Posted by: Kelly on August 28, 2005 05:10 PM

Its shit like this that makes you want to bomb the fucking church. Cocksuckers ought to be dragged of and shot in the knees. How can anyone be so fucked up? They are as bad as the got-dam Muslims.

Posted by: Assrot on August 28, 2005 06:46 PM

I have no problem with any religion as long as it doesn't impose on me and mine. The folks were charitable to this bunch and didn't lynch them. If there had been a shotguun at the church there may have been another funeral.

Posted by: GUYK on August 28, 2005 07:22 PM

There's a BIG difference between true Christians and people who just go to Church.

Posted by: Symph on August 28, 2005 07:38 PM

This also points out the fact that there is a BIG difference between religion and gospel.

Posted by: paulb on August 28, 2005 09:50 PM

They aren't Christians anyway. They're some weirdo cult.

Posted by: Andrea Harris on August 28, 2005 11:47 PM

'I have previously questioned whether Phelps should actually be accepted as a member of the Christian faith. I have no authority other than my opinion to say so, but let me be clear that I do not count him and his so-called (cough, tax dodge, cough) “church” inside the communion of Christianity.'

-Donald Sensing

As a Christian myself, I have to agree with Reverend Sensing. I can see no evidence of the fruit of the gospel in Fred Phelps or his followers...

Posted by: Tom on August 29, 2005 02:06 PM

I'm with Rev. Sensing as well.

But let me also say that there is a very big difference between faith and religion. A belief in Jesus Christ does not necessarily mean a belief in the church (or Church), which has been guilty of behavior over many centuries that doesn't square with Christian doctrine. The Christian church is not God.

Posted by: Grouchy Old Yorkie Lady on August 29, 2005 06:20 PM

Roy says...."He claims to be a Christian - a Baptist even, but anybody can "claim" to be anything, but that doesn't make it so."

Sounds like you could be talking about George W. Bush, Karl Rove, Tom Delay, and all the other supposedly Christian leaders in this government we have now. Those guys are about as fake as they come.

Posted by: Don R. on August 30, 2005 02:42 AM

Lies always travel faster than the truth...
I am from Kansas and Rev. Phelps is the bane of the State.

Posted by: No Mo on August 30, 2005 03:18 AM

Just as all Muslims aren't terrorists, all Christians aren't wackos. If one TRULY know God's word, one knows the difference.

Posted by: Anastasia on August 30, 2005 01:18 PM

I live in Topeka where Fred Phelps has his "church". They protest outside of my church every single Sunday morning before service. They protest in front of the Family Video store because it rents R rated movies. They protested at a Ron White comedy show because he has a small bit about gays. They fly the American, Canadian, and Swedish flag upside down everyday. Oh and while they are protesting they have children as young as 4 and 5 holding signs with them in the freezing Kansas winters. I know you all are already aware that they are barking moonbats but don't let anything they do in future surprise you. They do not in any way represent Christianity (a religion based on love) or Kansans.

Posted by: Shelley on August 30, 2005 02:49 PM
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