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July 28, 2005

another quote of the day

JB (who is NOT the same person as PJ) and I had our first falling out several years ago when he went off on a rant about his sons being drafted and sent off to be cannon-fodder in Iraq. When I had the unmitigated gall to point out that we DON'T have a draft anymore, he went ape-shit on me. Somehow, his sons were going to be drafted anyway.

Evidently, the idea of all-volunteer armed forces still hasn't penetrated his pointy head.

I've written before that I believe the military is a GOOD thing for people who get out of high school and don't have a clue about what they intend to do in life. The pay may not be great, but you can learn some valuable skills if you're willing, (the best E&I guys I ever worked with learned their craft in the Navy) and it's a good way to fill in that gap between boyhood and manhood that is so confusing in western society.

I will not deny that some troops die young in a time of war. But SWEET BEJUS, people! How many "yoots" die every got-dam day in drive-by shootings and gang wars? Why aren't the leftists bitching about THAT waste of life?

I've seen those men and wimmen in uniform at airports all over this country, and they make me proud. They are there because they CHOSE to be there, and I admire them all. What they do takes courage and determination, which are qualities sorely lacking among leftists.

"What part of volunteer army do you cry babies not understand? I don't want someone who doesn't want to be here serving next to me. Truthfully, nobody really wants to be here. But some of us ( mostly the right ) understand that sacrifices sometimes have to be made. You sad sacks of shite on the left can't or refuse to understand this. Freedom is not a natural circumstance in this world, it must be fought for and maintained. For most of the left, there is nothing worth fighting for. That is why I believe freedom scares the left more than anything else."

Posted by matterson at July 28, 2005 01:49 PM

I want to hear PJ and JB shoot THAT quote down. Oh... never mind. They think guns are evil and nothing is worth fighting for.

PJ will say the guy is brainwashed and JB will shriek something about the Constitution. Fuck 'em both.

Matterson, you have my respect and admiration.

Comments

Yep. I was on active duty when the all volunteer service started. Within a year or so I could see the difference in quality and attitudes of the all volunteer enlistees compared to what it was with the draft.

Posted by: GUYK on July 28, 2005 06:08 PM

When I moved to Ireland, I was hanging around in Atlanta Airport - of course - and I found myself at a booksellers kiosk getting a magazine. A TV was tuned to CNN showing a terrible scene from Iraq. Total chaos. dead Iraqi KIDS blown up by pricks. I blew my stack a little, I thought, under my breath. Got a tap on my sholder. At my right stood a baby - pimpley faced KID in desert camo. We talked. He was going back for his second tour. I shook his hand and told him Thank You. I always do. He reached into his pocket and gave me a 100 dinar note and told me You're Welcome. I'm gonna carry that note, with that sick bastard Saddams face on it, in my wallett until every Guy and Doll comes home. THEY, and not the jb's, pj's, ARE THE BEST GOD DAMN PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET!

Posted by: james Hooker, ace of aces on July 28, 2005 06:11 PM

I'm reposting this comment from a few posts down.
I thought it applied here too. More so, though.
It concerns shooting guns and also military service.
--UziQ

My uncle taught all of his boys to shoot. He was a cop for many years, so my cousins went out to the pistol range with him a lot. Two out of the three of them grew to love going hunting.
Now the oldest one is in the Army National Guard and has served a tour in Afghanistan. He and the 9 or 10 guys who he served with killed over 30 Taliban.
I don't remember the medal he got for that, but we were sure proud that he got it.
He reenlisted and is now overseas again on a training mission (he's in the Special Forces). It makes me proud.
I don't see any wrong in teaching kids about guns as long as they learn to use them safely.

Posted by: UziQ on July 28, 2005 06:30 PM

You got to be living on another planet if you don't know about the national guard and others whose tour of duty is up but they get kept in Iraq anyway.

Is that volunteer? Do you understand volunteer?

And, another planet away from your solar system they know that the fucking recruiters can't sign up enough volunteers to meet their quotas--so popular is this war.

With enough borderline intelligence, poor, and lower class 'youts' the service is a way out, a chance to break out. Being blown to bits so you can feel good about not being pussified is a sad commentary on your fucking volunteer army.

Posted by: Stupid YOU on July 28, 2005 06:38 PM

I think this quote sums it up quiet nicely. Although I don't remember where I heard it.

"War brings out the worst in some people, and the best in most"

Posted by: gravdigr on July 28, 2005 06:43 PM

As a U.S. Navy veteran (enlisted, six years) from the 80's, you are absolutely right that our all volunteer military is the best. Everyone one us that served chose to be there and were proud of it. Indeed, we were all well motivated and disciplined, and the caliber of people was tops. Many of the enlisted guys I knew and served with had Bachelor degrees and quite a few had Master's. Because of my service, I learned about discipline, hard work and perserverance, not to mention receiving valuable training and technical skills that now as a civilian I've parlayed into a very comfortable living (over $100,000 a year). Oh, and while I was serving, because of the Navy's tuition assistance program I earned my Bachelor's degree. You're also dead-on Acidman in that it's a good choice for young folks who don't know what to do with their lives. I was in that boat, and found direction and purpose that has served me well throughout my life. And about the Navy E&I guys, dead-on there too. The military has some of the best technical schools in the world, and they are no picnic to get through. I know from experience. One more thing to idiots like PJ and JB. All of those nuclear power plants around the country? Yeah, you guessed it. Most of the guys running them are ex-Navy nuclear power school grads. The Navy nuke school program is the toughest (mentally ) training in the military bar none.

Posted by: Jdogs on July 28, 2005 06:57 PM

"Is that volunteer? Do you understand volunteer?"

Stupid you, maybe the best answer is do you understand what it means to volunteer and what it entails? Every volunteer for guard andreserve duty knows full well that the time may come when they may be called to active duty. That is the purpose of a guard and a reserve. Yes they are volunteers who for the most part are serving with pride and honor and I am proud of them!

Posted by: GUYK on July 28, 2005 07:22 PM

I understand volunteer perfectly. My cousin chose to enlist and he chose to reenlist after his 4 years was up.
He knew what he was getting himself into.
So, eatshitanddie, or whatever the hell your name is, why don't you do what your handle suggests?
Oh yeah--you probably don't have the balls to even do that.

Posted by: UziQ on July 28, 2005 07:53 PM

What is really sad is that in order to "volunteer" for our military...you now need an actual high school diploma. Not just a GED or a high school equivalency.

So those kids that used to join the military because they were having troubles at school are now left to wander our streets and cause even more trouble.

Posted by: drc on July 28, 2005 09:07 PM

A survey of troops returning from the Iraq war found 30 percent had developed mental health problems three to four months after coming home, the Armyís surgeon general said Thursday.

Posted by: Surgeon General on July 28, 2005 09:54 PM

According to CBS News, the recruiter will help a potential volunteer forge a diploma, GED and fake a drug test.

no problem

Posted by: Juice on July 28, 2005 09:57 PM

Yeah, well, we all know CBS news hasn't been the most reliable source in recent years.

Posted by: drc on July 28, 2005 10:35 PM

Hey Juice, thanks for the reference to CBS.

We all know if CBS news says it , you can sure take it to the bank -- NOT.

I work in a Fortune 100 company with current military and ex-military people and they are always the outstanding performers: top notch, best in class, world class, ... get the picture? The lefty news and people like Juice just want to continue the attack on some of the most honorable people in the world who protect the freedoms we enjoy.

Their honor and dignity is proven every day by the fact that military personnel have not gut shot the liberal pussies who denigrate them day after day. Jeez!!!!!!

Posted by: Adopted Southerner on July 28, 2005 10:43 PM

Don't you EVER !

Posted by: Jaybee on July 29, 2005 01:01 AM

Adopted Southerner displays typical wingnut stupidity. He totally ignores the substance of the CBS report--which included under cover recordings of the army recruiter talking to a high school kid.

If anybody hired a lying, cheating, sneaky son of a bitch like THAT recruiter it would be their own fault.

Try to stick with the facts. Don't make shit up. There's enough trouble in the world without you making stuff up.

Posted by: Juice on July 29, 2005 01:22 AM


"Freedom is not a natural circumstance in this world, it must be fought for and maintained."
-matterson

My family knows that as well as anyone for all the members we have had that served our country in necessary wars, but please explain how pre-emptively attacking another country that posed NO threat to us or ever attacked the U.S. is maintaining OUR freedom here in America.

Regardless of the propaganda that Acidbrain flings on here about Democrats, NO ONE has ever said a single derogatory word about our military. The brave men and women that were sent to fight this Iraq war are simply doing the job they were asked to do and are doing a great job under the conditions for which they were placed. It is George W. Bush and the civilian leadership that should be held accountable for this incredibly irresponsible decision to invade Iraq. The act of invading and occupying a muslim country without provocation (especially one with no connection to 9/11) is only going to result in further acts of anti-American terrorism worldwide, and will eventually result in the reduction of our freedoms here in this country as more counterterrorist activities will be needed to defend ourselves against jihadist revenge for our actions in Iraq. The American people are finally beginning to realize this and are calling for our priorities to be refocused on getting out of Iraq and going after the terrorists that actually attacked us on 9/11.

PJ

Posted by: PJ on July 29, 2005 04:23 AM

WASHINGTON - The Army National Guard has fallen 23 percent behind its recruiting goal so far this year and is unlikely to meet its annual quota - largely because of a dramatic drop in recruits from the South.
The Pentagon announced last week that the Army National Guard has fallen about 10,500 enlistees behind its goal.
The largest shortfall this year in Guard enlistees has been in the South - historically the mother lode for recruiters.


What's up Robbie Boy? You and your crackers are letting the country down.
The Southern deficit is nearly a third of the Guard?s overall enlistment problem

Posted by: Sam on July 29, 2005 05:01 AM

Sorry to break it to you guys, but the Army Nat. Guard has been pretty much worthless in the last twenty years. Most people sign up with them so as to get a uniform, 3 hots and a cot, and some money for college. Now that we are figting a war on Terrorism (with sprinkles of Marxism, still) these folks are being made to use their training and their time and to work for their money and THEY DON'T LIKE IT. Some of them are clueless dopes who thought they were gonna suck the teat of the Nat. Guard and be a weekend warrior. Wrong, guys. There is no free lunch.

It's an easy pledge to say "oh yeah, I'll take an oath" when there's no fighting going on. But when there is, some whine and bitch. Recruiting is down, but so what? It''s the people who don't want to fight- and we don't need them. We need people who are willing and able to take the fight to the enemy. And that enemy includes you leftists that are desroying my country- not your country, even though you were born here because you hate it so much.

I have a greater chance of making policy for this country after my time as an officer in the Marine Corps than anyone else here. That's a godammed fact.
You leftists can put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Kill or Cure.

Posted by: Greg on July 29, 2005 07:30 AM

Worthless??

Posted by: UziQ on July 29, 2005 09:39 AM

screw'em i don't want em i've served not because you all need protected not because the army feeds me. but because they taught me how to blow shit up, now thats fun. but they also taught me self control, responsibility, respectability and finally not to use the things they taught me until they are needed. i keep serving cause this is the only place left were you can find someone you barely know and trust with your LIFE and he will trust you the same.

Posted by: dancingbear1564 on July 29, 2005 11:08 AM

"With enough borderline intelligence, poor, and lower class 'youts' the service is a way out, a chance to break out. Being blown to bits so you can feel good about not being pussified is a sad commentary on your fucking volunteer army."

Since this is your opinion and belief, I've got just the
solution for you ...
Once you've read this you can pack up and move on.

Welcome Aboard

New Americans: At War in Mosul


Front row Left to Right
SPC Saroth Muth (Cambodia)
SPC David Floutier (England)
SPC Hugo Juarez (Mexico)
SPC Evans Martin (Antigua)
SPC Octavio Rodriguez (Mexico)

Back row Left to Right
SGT Ringsey Khin (Cambodia)
SPC Abdel Phipps (Jamaica)
SGT Collin Campbell (Trinidad)
SPC Bosco Jerez (Nicaragua)
SPC Jose Alvarado (Honduras)
SPC Moises Medina (Mexico)

http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/

These guys readily put their lives on the line for a belief and for a country they were not citizens of when they signed up.

Because of rough men standing guard in the night, you are able to sleep in peace.

You're not even smart enough to be appreciative of the fact there are those who are willing to stand up and sacrifice for YOUR freedom.

Posted by: quark2 on July 30, 2005 08:21 PM

Juice just told the best joke of the year... "substance of the CBS report.." Substance and CBS used in the same sentence. Good one -- can't wait to hear the next one liner.

Posted by: Adopted Southerner on July 31, 2005 05:14 PM
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