June 13, 2005

Doctors are allowed to recover their legal expenses when they are not found at fault in a lawsuit so why not the rich, weird people too??

Im sorry Rob but you are wrong here, Michael Jackson should be dragged off and shot. Child Molesting Asshole, put him in the same circle of hell as cats

Hell, I want to be weird and rich. I'm just weird. What about the part where he fondled little boys' cocks? That surely carries a price tag, though I'm sure the inept fucks out there never built a case.

"I believe that Jackson should be able to sue his accusers AND Sneddon for every cent he spent on that trial."

... and who will pay for that clusterfuck ... US, the taxpayers, of course!

All this means is that if you're rich enough, you can get away with anything.

Mr. Jackson violated the First Rule of Holes: If you're in one, stop digging.

I'm not convinced that he was being persecuted by the guvvamint because he's Rich and Weird...but I'll agree that there's always a school of sharks (and prosecutors) that get all excited when they get that whiff of blood.

A sad story, any way you slice it.

Justice was deffinatly done. and even though i detest the man, and think he was guilty as hell of messing with little boys, and think he should be drug out and shot.... I think he was at least partialy or mostly innocent of what they were trying him for. there were more holes in the defendants than a target ship. fucking gold diggers.

on the other hand, it would have been extremely entertaining to see that fucking circus of freaks OUTSIDE the courtroom waiting for a verdict, to all spontaneously combust if they had delivered a guilty verdict!

I pretty much wrote the same thing at my place. I just used the word "motherfucker" more. But I'm all about allitteration.

Christ, I'm adorable

Rob

You are dead on right with this one.

Watching the interview with Sneddon (on CNN repeat 237 or whatever), one could clearly see a prosecutor who was hoping for fame off Jackson every bit as mcxh as was Jackson's accusers.

His "no comment" about the defense attorneys was pricesless--he put up ten charges and got the shit kicked out of him on every one! Every one.

Twice the government has tried to obliterate the most successful black man in America--despite his weirdness, and twice they have failed ...

Miserably.

I live in a Texas county where the prosecuting attorney lives and dies to send honest folks to jail. The Feds are here, investigating all the bullshit that goes on in the name of "justice." It is high time that arrogant district attorneys get taken down a notch or ten. They roll over the common man, and aspire to being down celebrities as well.

Fact is--most lawyers--private or governmental, exist to make their living off other folks' misery.

Our legal systems is a fucking train wreck, and it is the lawyers who are to blame. I not only advocate the losing side "has to pay" . . . I am in favor of lawyers having to give up their fees when they lose, and . . . having to pay all court costs as well.

And there should be a "3 strikes and you're out" rule for prosecuting attorneys, too. Three stupid cases trying innocent citizens, and then, disbar the fucking shark for good. Let them sell cars or work at Walmart and live like the other half does if they fuck with the lives of others!

That would clean up matters immediately.

To those who slam the decision . . . You need to experience the full weight of the government that supposedly exists to serve YOU, pile-driving your life into the ground. You listen to Fox or CNN and imagine you know the truth. You own words expose yourself. You don't know shit as to what happened, you were not there, and to imagine you do know shit only proves yourselves wrong. To imagine oneself right without evidence is mere arrogance.

Logic 101. The Jackson jury proved its mettle, and those who oppose their finding only prove themselves antagonistic to the American system of justice they "claim" to defend.

Heh. Good post, Smif.

Jackson is guilty as sin. He's not just 'wierd' or 'eccentric'. No normal man sleeps with other peoples' sons. The wrong man prosecuted this case, no doubt about that...but NO justice was served yesterday IMHO.

Right charges, wrong family.

Jackson " beat it."

Yes, pun also intended.

Amen. Well said.

Why can't JB say it like that?

Mickey said that he had learned his lesson and was not going to let little boys sleep in his bed any more. So thats what they were doing there, sleeping. Well, the jury bought it and I will not argue with a jury, even a California jury.

Whats the odds that mama goes after Mickey in civil court? Now, there she has a chance. California juries don't like to send anyone to the slammer but they will damn sure get in the pocketbook. Mickey may have to move to Florida and take bankruptcy. Maybe move in next to OJ.

Amen Acidman. I'm with you on this one. One thing is for sure, if Michael Jackson was a black man he would have been found guilty. Good thing he's white.

... all I said was "a DA with an axe is a bad, bad thing".. and I stand by it.. Sneddon was a shark... Jackson is a sick fuck... I do believe I'd have hung the jury if I'd been on it..

So would you let your son sleep with him?

I believe that Jackson was guilty as sin, but justice did prevail here.

The prosecutor failed to make any kind of a reasonable case against him, and I believe that it was for the reason you stated Rob; he was on a personal vendetta, not pursuing a case in the interest of justice.

The law is not about personal retribution against those whom you dislike, and if we ever let it get to that point, we're all in serious trouble.

I'm with Maggie. At least more people now know that Neverland isn't a place you want your son to be.

Rob,

Put down your crack pipe and try to grasp that a pedophile has been found not guilty, not innocent.
Along with OJ, and Robert Blake, his celebrity status has helped him beat a rap. What's with thoses loonies in California?

I'll make this brief:

This case: MJ is a kiddie diddler, but the prosecution didn't have a case. Justice was served.

Robert Blake: Jury nullification at its best. He did it, the jury knew it, but also knew she deserved it.

OJ: He was guilty, the jury knew it, but didn't care because he was black and she was white. In this case the victims didn't deserve what they got.

"He's not just 'wierd' or 'eccentric'. No normal man sleeps with other peoples' sons."

Um... thus the word "wierd". You know, as in "not normal". I don't know if Jackson did it or not, but I suspect *not*. He has openly admitted to sleeping in the same room with these kids.

Personally I think he's a screwed up guy who desperately wants to *be* a child. That does not seem condusive to molesting them.

BTW, O.J. Simpson is a murderer.

I was neither in his bedroom nor in the courtroom - nor was I really paying much attention - but one thing is for sure Jackson has problems.

That said, we dont throw people in jail because of "hunches" and "inferences" and a general sense they are weird or have problems. We convict people because they commited specific, clearly articulated (well plead) crimes.

Sneddon screwed up by making the case needlessly complex. Had he kept that conspiracy crap out of it it would have been a much simpler case to prosecute and win. I just don't understand whay he failed to follow Clinton's sacred (and correct) rule - Keep It Simple Stupid. In law school, one of the best pieces of advice I ever got was "Tell It To Me Like I Am A Three Year Old" Ie if its too difficult to understand, people wont. Bush knew this, Kerry didn't. Apparantly, Sneddon didn't either.

That said, its not the fault of all lawyers - most of whom are very honorable peope indeed, just trying to offer a much needed service to the vast majority of American's who are frightened at the propsect of an overwrought and heavy handed government coming down on them.

JB, Are you suggesting three losses and a DA is disbarred? Why? Who is to classify a case as appropriatly high profile enough? Why should the cases of celebrities recieve more attention than the non celebs? I don't think they should, and as we have now seen with OJ, Scott Peterson, and Jackson, the press is an awful influence on the process. The best reform that ccould be undertaken - which would clear EVERYTHING up right away would be to eliminate cameras and the media entirely (well, not entirely, but significantly reduce their presence). First, peopple should stop watching the cable TV crap. Then, cameras ought to be banned form the courtroom. There should be no special access for the media and/or reporters. The court room is a public place but the newscasters should have no more right to access than Joe Schmoe off the seat. If they want to watch the trial, make the reporters stand in line with everyone else waiting to get in (and do not allow them to hire placesitters, require everyone who accesses the line to have sat in the line). Finally, only provide the transcript of the days proceeding after it has been released to the parties, those parties have made their corrections, and it has been certified. That ought to delay news coverage a bit too.

If you do that, you remove the temptation for prosecutors (and defense counsel) to grandstand and look like assholes for their own career advancement.

Got to get back to work, but thats just my $.02

Let's not forget that the particular form of weirdness Mr. Jackson practices was (and probably will continue to be) sleeping in bed with little boys not related to him, without the little boys' parents in the same room (why is THAT necessary?), licking little boys' heads, feeding them "Jesus juice" showing them pornography, and fondling other parts of little boys. It is thanks to Mr. Jackson's wealth that society has placed the boundary for criminalizing this particular variety of weirdness so much further out than it would place the boundary of criminal weirdness for mere mortals.

Acid, have you ever wondered why Jacko wants to look and SOUND like a twelve year old white girl?

What better way to attract twelve year old heterosexual white boys!

I also thing that the motherfucker was guilty as hell. Apparently he has made the statement at some point that if acquited he would be moving to Europe. Let's all get together and help his ass pack.

Hate to break it to y'all, but JB was right when he said none of us saw what happened there, there's no pictures, no video footage, NOTHING. It's easy as hell to get kids to lie and say something happened, either threaten severe punishment to them, or bribe the hell out of them, but we don't know if that's what happened.

I really couldn't give a shit if he got off or hung: he's a rich bastard, and I've just converted to Libertarian Communism. Ha.

Friederich Nietzsche summed it up well.

"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music."

Sneddon is an asshole who sought, every bit as much as Jackson's accusers X 2, to capitalize upon Jackson's fame and fortune. Twice, the incompetent asshole struck out--a blow struck for freedom from idiotic government officials who think they know what is best for everyone.

And the fact is--none of you were there--so if you say Jackson is guilty anyway, you betray your own constitution and all you think you believe. Pray you are never charged by an incompetent like Sneddon. You don't have the bucks to get a good lawyer, so you will get boo-fooed doing your time.

Jackson? He was acquitted on ALL TEN COUNTS! Get it?

Get it? Sheesh!

Too funny.

The American court system worked, and it pisses some of you off that it did. Google Lenin or Stalin and find your "daddy."

Shit. Again . . . too funny.

Whether MJ is guilty or not of being a paedophile is irrellevant in this case, weird though it may sound.
Such is the justice system.

They jury has a duty to determine whether the suspect on trial has been shown without reasonable doubt to have comitted the acts (s)he is indicted to have permitted, not whether the suspect may be capable of perpetrating such acts in theory or even whether the suspect has perpetrated such acts in other context.
In this case the prosecution was not able to bring enough proof of the acts they claimed MJ to have performed, the crimes he was claimed to have been guilty of, therefore the jury rightly concluded that MJ is not guilty beyond reasonable doubt of those crimes.

Personally I think that MJ indeed didn't perform the actions he is claimed to have performed, him being mentally incapable to willingly harm a child. That's not to say those kids didn't sleep in his bed (they did, but without any intent to sexual acts) or didn't see porn or drink booze (they may, but there's no evidence that the materials were offered the kids by MJ or his staff and they didn't access them without explicit permission).

Indeed as JB says, once courts start to convict people because they might be possible to commit the crimes arrayed against them at some point you get a justice system where suspicion is guilt and we all know where that leads.

Obviously alot of you have not been listening to interviews with the jurors. Juror #1 says that based on evidence he saw and heard during the trial he believes MJ is, I repeat, he is a child molestor.

The trouble is the jury disliked the mother of the accuser (woman had no credibility) and that IN THIS CASE they didn't believe the kid.

So my original statement: right charges, wrong family........is probably true.

You know, when the case first broke I thought Jackson should be taken out and skinned.

I thought he was guilty as hell.

And now?

I agree 100% with Rob -- rich and weird. And perhaps emotionally arrested at the age of 12. I think he sees himself as a big kid, and thought he was just having slumber parties and being an older, non-judgemental friend.

I also believe that if the allegations were true, that the prosecution could have perhaps found one single witness with anything even approaching credibility who was not a paid expert . . . Jackson didn't seem to have any problems producing credible witnesses.

It is not over for MJ. The family can still take him to civil court. That is messed up.

I couldn't have said it any better WINDY. That kind of weirdness is beyond disgusting and it is truly sad that this sick fuck will go without being held accountable for his horrible actions. You can bet he will answer to his maker one fine day though and his money won't do him any good then.