Gut Rumbles

June 03, 2005

gun snobs

Some of you people have managed to piss me off. After my father died, I bought my mama a Smith & Wesson Ladysmith .38 revolver and enrolled her in a gun safety course run by the Savannah Police Department. Mama was living alone and I worried about her. I bought a genuine, top-o-the-line pistol for a woman and the gun classes weren't cheap, either.

Mama attended the classes, learned to handle the gun and shot it MAYBE 24 times. Then, she took it home, unloaded it, put it in the same drawer next to my father's Rohm and put the ammo in a DIFFERENT drawer. She never shot that gun again and never kept ammo anywhere near it.

I COULD say that I wasted my money buying that gun for her, but that's not true--- I own it now and it's still a fine piece. I think I want to give it to my daughter in exchange for the 9mm I gave Sam a year ago. That semi-auto is too complicated for her to handle well without a lot of practice, but the Ladysmith is just a point-and-shoot pistol, perfect for someone who doesn't know a lot about guns.

And it's a Smith & Wesson, too, which ought to satisfy a lot of gun-snobs.

Some of you people talking about guns remind me of Recondo 32 (and I'm about to piss him off again) talking about trucks or beer. If it ain't a Ford, your truck sucks. Forget the fact that he has borrowed MY CHEVY many a time to haul stuff because his Ford hasn't run in years--- my truck sucks, just because it's a Chevy.

Beer? Same thing. Michelob Lite is the only REAL beer in the universe, and if you don't drink that possum-piss, you're a yuppie. The only reason to drink Sam Adams or Shiner Bock is to put on airs and impress people who don't know any better. ANY REAL BEER DRINKER KNOWS THAT FACT, because Recondo says it's true.

A lot of you gun-snobs remind me of Recondo. I have 13 fucking guitars in my house right now. I have a vintage Martin, a couple of Guilds, an old Gibson a Tacoma Papoose, TWO Fenders, a genuine Yari (Yamaha when that craftsman made them by hand) and assorted others. Ask anybody what I played at the blog-meet in Jekyll.

I played an Oscar Schmidt, a jet-black six-string with a neat cut-away body and built-in electric pickup. It plays and sounds like a dream. I paid $189 for that guitar. Yeah. I bought a "Saturday Night Special," as far as "quality" instruments go, if you're judging by brand-name. But I've played that fucker to hell and back and I think it's my SECOND favorite guitar now.

I'll never sell my Martin, but I prefer to play Oscar today.

So... I don't want to hear any more shit from gun-snobs, guitar-snobs or ANY OTHER KIND OF SNOBS!!! Buy what you like and brag about it if you're happy. But brag about how happy YOU ARE--- don't fucking lecture me about my ignorance and expect me to wash your feet in appreciation of all YOU know that I don't. Go fuck yourself and wash your own goddam feet.

I've never had much use for snobbish people.


If it is a Ford, it sucks.

Posted by: Brett on June 3, 2005 05:05 PM

Downscale snobbery is a national disease. I touched on it with my gibes at militant middlebrows a few months back.

Posted by: Brett on June 3, 2005 05:06 PM

That reminds me of the 60s/70s, when all of the rock fans I knew were always debating who was the "best" rock guitarist. Jimi Hendrix! No! Eric Clapton! No! Jimmy Page! No! etc

I would just state that I didn't have a favorite. If i liked listening to a particular player/group, then I listened, and if I didn't like them, I didn't listen to them.

Why does everyone have to try to make everything into a contest where somebody/thing has to be "Number 1" and everyone/thing else in nothing?

Posted by: Chico Panther on June 3, 2005 05:18 PM

What's that old saying?

On a quiet night, you can hear a Ford rust.

Posted by: Jane on June 3, 2005 05:20 PM

Michelob Lite? Jesus H. Christ, the world TRULY is going to hell, ain't it?

Posted by: Chablis on June 3, 2005 05:33 PM


Posted by: Ruth on June 3, 2005 05:58 PM

Michelob Light isn't fit to be called beer.

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I thought I'd moved past dealing with snobs after High School. *sigh* If the Acidman's still dealing with them I'd better get used to it I guess?

Posted by: Alli on June 3, 2005 06:12 PM

Fuckin' Old Rebuilt Dodge

There's a slogan for Pontiac, too. If you live down south, I'll bet you've heard it at least once in your life!

Posted by: El Capitan on June 3, 2005 06:25 PM

Woah there boy!!!

I know fuck all about guns other than I can shoot a rifle (and very well too thank you) I used to play guitar (had a Fender Strat) I can drive better than most men I know (still crap about knowing what car is what - does it matter if it goes?) but when it comes to beer, you are talking sheer unmitigated bollocks! I realize I am probably going to piss you all off big time here, but Michelob Lite isn't even a close second to shandy! Nor is any of the 'fizzy pop' you Americans call Beer! Try ESB, anything brewed in the MicroBreweries of the UK, or any German beer, and then stick to your guns on that statement! Unless you've fallen over coz you can't handle the real stuff that is!

best wishes x :)

Posted by: Misty on June 3, 2005 07:14 PM

Up here in Yankee country...and let me tell you, living just three miles from the dead center of Yale's campus is fucking Yankee country...they prize things like style over substance and brand over value.

Whatever happened to the New England spendthrift, hearty colonist spirit I have no earthly idea, but there you have it.

Me, I tend to shop like my grandmother taught me. First generation Italian immigrant, child in the Depression, she taught me that there's nothing you can't find cheaper somewhere else that is just as good. I will spend a long time researching any purchase over a hundred bucks to make sure that I'm getting the best band for my buck. Most of the time that means not buying top of the line. And guns are no different. My summer go-to carry pistol? Kel-Tec P-11. Winter? Patriot .45. Both on the low end of cheap and both have never failed me. I have a far too expensive 1911, and a Smith & Wesson SW99 that cost too much, and I love 'em, but only at the range.

Posted by: JimK on June 3, 2005 07:39 PM

I hear ya, Rob. I've little patience for folks who "put on airs".

A similar situation can be said for Scotch or whiskey/bourbon drinkers who say "you MUST drink it this way" or "You MUST drink single Malts/Cask strength/yadda-yadda-yadda....blends or vatted drinks suck".

Speaking of which, how's the home-brew er, home-made wine goin'?

Posted by: KenS on June 3, 2005 07:48 PM

I should be ready to cook off that.... NON-SNOB home brew by next Monday or Tuesday. It's still perking, and I'm going to let it go until it quits.

You're welcome to try it when it's done... as long as you ain't all snobby about brand-names.

Posted by: Acidman on June 3, 2005 08:20 PM

If it's 'puttin on airs' to say, "Keep your fucking Yugo and I'll keep my fucking Jaguar." Then I am a snob.

When were gaining your omnscience at the chemical plant, did the company buy the cheapest valves they could find? Hell, they'll work MOST of the time. Thats good enough.

"don't fucking lecture me about my ignorance and expect me to wash your feet in appreciation of all YOU know that I don't."

YOU are the one who asked for opinions on that POS gun. So you piss and moan and get the VAPORS when the opinions aren't what YOU want to hear?

As far as the gun goes, my old man always used to say, "No matter how hard you try, you can't polish a turd."

Posted by: rightisright on June 3, 2005 08:29 PM

In an effort to lighten the freakin mood around here today, I present to you:

The difference between “guts” and “balls”!

Guts - is arriving home late after a night out with the guys, being assaulted by your wife with a broom, and having the guts to ask: “Are you still cleaning, or are you flying off somewhere?”

Balls - is coming home late after a night out with the guys, smelling of perfume and beer, lipstick on your collar, slapping your wife on the ass and having the balls to say, “You’re next!”

Posted by: Chablis on June 3, 2005 08:41 PM

I blogged on the inexpensive revolver problem. What this country needs is a good five cent cigar and a good $50.00 pistol.

Posted by: Pawpaw on June 3, 2005 08:47 PM

All I care about a gun is it doesn't blow up in my face when I pull the trigger. I'm far more interested in the home made brandy. I trust Rob, but I'd still feed a little bit to a dog to see if it go blind first. Beta testing, and all.

Posted by: Velociman on June 3, 2005 09:38 PM

Sheite. I was gonna talk about how my personal shoppers are Target, Marshall's and DSW. I have no gun stories.
Brands are gettable anywhere-getting the brand you like, less than retail, is a coup.
A necessary coup. Otherwise, what's the point?

Posted by: bbking on June 3, 2005 09:43 PM

Just when you didnt buy that gun she would of needed it. Better to have and not use then get stuck with your pants down. The most GSW's i see are from idiots thinking there gangasta's. If they ever did outlaw guns we would be in a world of shit. We would not be able to shot back, cause the bad guys will still get the guns.

Posted by: Darth Medicus on June 3, 2005 11:38 PM

Right is Wrong-- you wanna know the kind of valves we bought for new projects in the chemical plant? Whatever kind the saleman hawked when he took the engineers out for expensive lunches, a deep-sea fishing trip or a couple of rounds of golf.

What fucking planet do YOU live on to think it doesn't work that way? I had to RUN that shit once the engineers were finished, and I usually spent six months of hard work un-fucking what those graft-grabbing whiz-boys inflicted on me.

Bite me. I'm talking REAL WORLD here.

Posted by: Acidman on June 3, 2005 11:58 PM

As far as the guns go, just as I said in my last comment about this. If it works, use the damn thing. Aint nothing wrong with that.

I'm mostly commenting here because I am in AWE of your guitar collection. Sounds like you have quite a few very nice pieces.

I would agree with you on the guitar subject too, at one point in time I had a Gibson Les Paul studio that cost about $1600, a little later I was given an Epiphone Les Paul Studio, retail on it was about $500 or so. The two guitars were identical, except the epiphone had some different "cheaper" pickups in it.

I liked the Epiphones tone and sound better. "You get what you pay for" is true in many aspects, in others, it's not true one bit.

Posted by: chaos on June 4, 2005 12:59 AM

I'd LOVE to try some "non-branded" home-made 'shine, er, wine, but until it's legal to ship THAT,or until I find my way to your neck of the woods, I'll have to make do with a report from you after you finish it.

As for Rightis*whatever*, it does sound like you're a snob.

Tell me, would that Jaguar be one made after FORD took over the company, and gave Lucas Electrics the boot for not supplying working electricals?

Amazing how quality can improve when companies who act as if they've a God-given right to a monopoly position as a supplier are proved otherwise, for the sake of actually making a profit and providing a product worth the money one spends on it.

I used to deal with Jaguar owners at my previous job, putting them in rentals while their car was in for service and whatnot. One customer, who was a lady, commented to me after I told her Jaguars just aren't my cuppa tea 'cause I'm too tall for them, "Well, Jaguars really ARE a lady's car."

Posted by: KenS on June 4, 2005 03:03 AM

I like Michelob beer and pretty much don't care what others think of it because it pleases me. However, if I do ask others what they think of it for the sake of discussion then I'm getting what I asked for. I will make one concession about solicited opinions. Presentation is 99% and it's totally unnecessary to be an asshole about giving them. I think I understand your point.

Posted by: Susie T on June 4, 2005 09:38 AM


The Jaguar/Yugo thing was a metaphor. You've heard of them, right?

Oh, and the gun is STILL a POS.

Posted by: rightisright on June 4, 2005 09:57 AM

That Ladysmith AIN'T no piece of shit. I paid $350 for it in 1993. Do you know what they cost NOW?

You don't wanna know...

Posted by: Acidman on June 4, 2005 10:17 AM

I was speaking of the Rohm.

And yes, the Ladysmith IS a great gun. I have a 637 which is very similar.

Posted by: rightisright on June 4, 2005 10:25 AM

I'm all in favor of good, cheap guns...and lots of 'em!

Kel-Tec, Hi-Point, the Rough Rider .22 single action.... are all good, and very inexpensive guns.

They're made of good steels, with CNC wizardry in both the metals and polymers, resulting in guns with good, tight manufacturing tolerances, outstanding reliablitiy and surprizing accuracy.

A step up the ladder, the Bersa autos are setting sales records, and are proving to be very popular for cheap-but-good carry guns.

What I'm NOT in favor of is any "brand" of gun with a known history of failures, jams and as the wise and knowing Velociman phrased it; "not blowing up in my face when i pull the trigger".

And I'll concede that even though the RG is about as BAD a gun as I've ever handled, it is better than no gun at all.


Cheap is wonderful. Crap is crap.

Ain't no snobbery in that observation. Just the truth.

Sloop New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim on June 4, 2005 10:25 AM

The gun I keep next to my bed is a S&W .357, 4" barrel. It's never failed me and at 10', you're dead.

I live in Golden and I generally drink Coors, although I admit I'm not much of a beer drinker. With my Cubans. If you're going to turn your nose up at that, TFB.

Posted by: MM on June 4, 2005 11:36 AM

Stopped paying attention to names when I noticed that the $200 off-brand guitar I tried out had better sound and played better than the $1100 Martin hanging next to it.

Inexpensive doesn't mean 'bad'. The Bulgarian Makarov auto pistol can be had for less than $200 around here. It ain't fancy, but it works, every time, which makes it just right for a lot of people.

As to booze and food, eat/drink what you like the way you like and screw the snobs who disapprove.

Posted by: Mark on June 4, 2005 11:39 AM

Snobs piss me off. I hate most Fords. I hate economy cars. But that doesn't mean I turn my nose up at a friend who owns a Ford economy car. That kind of bullshit warrants a good pistol whipping in my book.

I inherited my father's weapons when he died, about 75 or so in total, and I love making his old single action revolvers go boom just as much as my H&K space guns, if not more.

Those guns have history, and a good chunk of it involves my father, so to hell with anyone who doesn't like them. I wouldn't stop to piss on elitist assholes like that were they on fire in a ditch.

Posted by: Mr. Lion on June 4, 2005 11:58 AM

I love snobbish sheeple. Always trying to out-do each other in me plenty of shit to laugh about.

And I wasn't really bashing Michelob Lite up there. I bashed Budweiser the other day too...I'm an equal opportunity basher when it comes to beer because it's not my first choice in the quest to become intoxicated. I'm a hard liquor kinda gal.

Posted by: Chablis on June 4, 2005 08:48 PM

How about we just say, "Inexpensive well made guns are AWESOME! Cheaply made guns at any price SUCK!" ?


Posted by: rightisright on June 4, 2005 09:08 PM

Rightis-uh-what-was-I-gonna-say?...oh yeah!

Yeah, I'm aware of what a metaphor is.

And your point is what?

I thought it proper to make a point based on a fact, not a metaphor, however.

AND, I even supported your assertion, didn't I? I mean, you said "Then I am a snob".

Posted by: KenS on June 5, 2005 02:45 AM

Ya see, Rightisright, the problem is that just because you spent so much $$$ more than someone else doesn't necessarily mean you have qualities that make you a better person, or, that the other person is somehow "lesser" than you.

Anyhoo, it's better to have a working gun of any type, than to NOT have one.

Posted by: KenS on June 5, 2005 02:53 AM

I completely agree. I recently bought a mint condition FEG PA-63, and I constantly get crap from Makarov snobs.

"Your PA-63 is just a cheap imitation," blah blah blah, "the recoil is so hard I have to soak my hand after I shoot it," and "the trigger pull is too hard for practical use."

So I turn around and shoot half-inch groups with it. My Ruger Mk. III feels like it has more recoil than my new PA-63, and the trigger pull is almost unnoticible. Yes, I paid less than half of what somebody would for a "good" Makarov, yes, it's a very attractive looking gun, and yes, it could probably outshoot a Colt Gold Cup, but of course it's trash.

Way to stick it to the snobs everywhere. ^_^

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