Gut Rumbles

May 26, 2005

monday morning quarterbacks

It's always easy to second-guess a decision AFTER the consequences are known. But when YOU have to do it, RIGHT THERE and RIGHT THEN, you do the best that you can, knowing all the time that you may not be exactly right. I hate people who say, "You shouldn't have done that," after the smoke clears and the crisis is over.

Where were THEY when the shit hit the fan?

That's why I don't believe that harping stories such as this one accomplishes a damn thing except to make the US military look like a bunch of bloodthirsty rogues, which they are NOT.

Iraqi civilians often complain that U.S. forces open fire indiscriminately when attacked, leading to innocent people being caught up in the crossfire. The U.S. military says it takes all precautions possible to ensure innocents are not killed.

During the war that overthrow Saddam Hussein, U.S. forces said Iraqi fighters frequently used women and children as human shields, but it was never possible to independently verify the reports.

Human rights groups have criticized the U.S. military for not being restrained enough in its use of force, particularly at checkpoints when vehicles sometimes approach at speed and U.S. soldiers, fearing a car bomb attack, open fire.

Just read that shit and barf. WE have Iraqi citizens "often" complaining about excessive use of force by US troops, but the story of terrorists using wimmen and children as human shields has not been "independently verified." My aching ass. I suppose that tales of terrorists blowing up car bombs is just a rumor, too.

What would YOU do in the same situation? You'd do the best you could and hope you were doing the right thing, but you don't always have a chance to debate the issue for long when bullets are flying. When someone starts shooting at you, you shoot back. That's how troops stay alive in combat.

We have the most "restrained" military force on the face of the planet and anyone who doesn't recognize that fact is a braying jackass.


Do not get me started on this shit! I have a nephew over there right now and a cousin just returned after serving his second deployment to Iraq. I don't have to rely on the media reports to get my information. The media is full of horse dookie. If it were me, I wouldn't have much to hesitate over. Them or me.

We agree to the T.

Posted by: Susie T on May 26, 2005 10:15 AM

Stand on duty at a checkpoint in a warzone and watch a car approaching at 60mph and DON'T open fire with everything you've got?

Welcome to the court martial.

Dereliction of duty would be the minor charge.

Posted by: Henry Blowfly on May 26, 2005 10:34 AM

Funny you should mention it, I just finished reading this page yesterday:

Iraqi house walkthrough

It's amazing.

Posted by: anotherkevin on May 26, 2005 10:55 AM

All I have to say to those people is "Pick up a gun, go to Iraq, put yourself in their shoes and then come and tell me about it." until then SHUT YOUR FUCKING PIE HOLES.

Posted by: gravdigr on May 26, 2005 11:48 AM

David Drake once wrote something along the lines of "When you've been in the same situation and behaved like a perfect gentleman, maybe I'll listen to what you have to say". I think that about covers it.

Posted by: Mark on May 26, 2005 11:57 AM

Dead solid-perfect post, A-Man.

Posted by: Deliverance on May 26, 2005 11:59 AM

Where do they suppose this fear of car bombs came from? They don't seem to mention the incidents where car bombs were used against checkpoints.

It's *#%*# al Reuters. Worse than AP. Expect nothing better.

Posted by: StinKerr on May 26, 2005 01:09 PM

"Human Rights Groups" ought to be tearing Al-Zarqaiw a new asshole for the fact that he openly condoned killing unarmed Iraqis because they were getting in the way of killing the "Infidel."

That guy at has a great article a little ways down the main page about the guys in the Wolf Brigade, who are apparently Iraq's new set of national heros. They definitely do a better job of living up to the name than that band of thugs that they and the US Military are fighting.

Posted by: JG22 on May 26, 2005 03:03 PM

The simplest solution would be to STOP attacking U.S. Forces. There'd be no more need for them to fire indiscriminately.

I suppose that's a bit much to ask, eh?

Posted by: AmesJay on May 26, 2005 03:29 PM

Yeah, It's a bit too much to ask , especially from people who are over 1,000 years late in terms of acceptable conduct in the name of religion. The mindset of "Our faith must dominate the world AT ALL COSTS" has warn away to almost nothing in most major religions, but Islam has yet to escape from the grasp of it. Think that the Christian Fundamentalists of present-day America are extremists? Their ancestors of 500 years ago make most of them look like atheists.

Posted by: JG22 on May 26, 2005 04:09 PM

Okay. I'm a company commander currently in Iraq. Lemme tell you a little but about our checkpoints. They have big signs written in klingon. Or Arabic. Whatever. Anyway, these signs say Warning! Military checkpoint ahead! Deadly Force Authorized! Speed limit 35 KM/Hour.

That's for a normal traffic checkpoint. We have the same signs at our flash checkpoints, except instead of a speed limit, they say to obey all commands from coalition forces.

We establish the stopping line. This is where traffic is supposed to stop. Cross this without being told and you get a warning shot, usually from a 5.56 mm rifle. This shot will normally be aimed at your tires. This line is usually sandbags across the road.

Next, about 50 meters (or more) from the stop line is the We're not kidding!!! line. This is where we'll shoot at your hood with 7.62mm machine guns and .50 caliber machine guns. Small bursts, aimed at your hood. The idea here is that we'll destroy your engine block and stop your car. This line is concertina wire.

Finally, 100 m or so from the We're Not Kidding!!! Line is the "You asked for it!" Line. All bets are off here, and we'll use whatever force is necessary to stop your car. Whatever Force is Necessary. This line is also concertina wire.

So, do you think any law-abiding citizen would drive around three barriers and through a hail of well aimed-to disable gunfire on accident?

Something else to consider... I've stopped hundreds of cars--to a screeching halt--with my pistol. Just by pointing it. You see, in the old regime, only the officers carried pistols, and they didn't have to answer to anyone if they used it. When you stop traffic here, it all stops. Everyone. Nobody disoeys the rules. Only Jounalists from the "We're Special" crowd and terrorists run at checkpoints. Not that I make too much of a distinction. And my soldiers behind the machine guns don't ask for permission to defend themselves and don't ask to see credentials when someone charges at them.


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Posted by: Chuck Ziegenfuss on May 27, 2005 04:38 PM
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