Gut Rumbles

May 15, 2005

i like it

I've already listened to a lot of leftists decry the castle doctrine as the first stage of complete anarchy in this country, where armed rednecks will run around shooting innocent people just because they want to. Guns are bad, you see, and your castle is supposed to be protected by a call to 911 if a goblin decides to invade.

I call bullshit.

On March 23, The Florida Senate passed SB-436, "Castle Doctrine" by a vote of YEAS 39 -- NAYS 0

On April 5, The Florida House passed SB-436, "Castle Doctrine" by a vote of YEAS 94 NAYS 20

On April 26, Governor Jeb Bush SIGNED SB-436, "Castle Doctrine" into law (Chapter No. 2005-27) It takes effect on October 1, 2005.

For those who want detailed information on why this bill is important, the following information is provided.

A great deal of erroneous information has been written, published and spoken about Florida's new "Castle Doctrine" bill.

Claims that the new law will turn Florida into the Wild West are not only an insult to intelligent people but give a patently false portrait of what the bill actually does.

The Florida "Castle Doctrine" bill does basically three things:

One: It establishes, in law, the presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes into your home or occupied vehicle is there to cause death or great bodily harm, therefore a person may use any manner of force, including deadly force, against that person.

Two: It removes the "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a right to be. You no longer have to turn your back on a criminal and try to run when attacked. Instead, you may stand your ground and fight back, meeting force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others.

Three: It provides that persons using force authorized by law shall not be prosecuted for using such force.

It also prohibits criminals and their families from suing victims for injuring or killing the criminals who have attacked them.

In short, it gives rights back to law-abiding people and forces judges and prosecutors who are prone to coddling criminals to instead focus on protecting victims.

If I called 911 right now, I probably could summon an ambulance a lot quicker than I could a policeman. Even then, I expect to wait 15 minutes before ANYBODY with flashing lights gets here. I live in the boonies.

That's why I keep all of my imaginary guns around here. If you want to break into MY house and terrorize ME, you'd better have a bullet-proof ass. I can expect the police to come clean up your mess when you're done fucking me up, but I cannot expect the police to protect me from you; therefore, I choose to protect myself.

I LIKE this law.

We've always had a similar "understood" law in Georgia, but it's never been codified clearly. I'll bet you anything you want to bet that EVERY ONE of my neighbors has AT LEAST one firearm in the home. Most of them have more than one. It ain't the streets of Tombstone around here. We don't have any trouble and very little crime. People tend to mind their manners when everybody is armed.

The leftists who are shitting their pants about this law are the same ones who NEVER learn when they are wrong. Remember when Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law REQUIRING every home owner to buy a gun? The streets were gonna run red with blood. That didn't happen. In fact, crime went DOWN after that law was passed.

At the same time, some pissant leftists somewhere in a town in Illionis passed a law FORBIDDING any law-abiding citizen to own a gun. Crime went through the roof, especially burglaries and assaults. Gun-grabbing leftists still don't see the connection.

G. Gordon Liddy may be a screaming nut-ball (he's one of the more entertaining public speakers I ever heard) but he did five years of research in hard-core prison around hard-core criminals and he says that he learned two things from talking with those people. Professional thieves fear two things: a barking dog and an armed homeowner.

I don't have a dog. But I can damn sure bark at you.


I like Liddy too, but Danbury prison was NOT exactly hardcore (thats hilarious for you to even suggest)

I mean ALCATRAZ it is NOT....

Posted by: Ruth on May 15, 2005 10:02 PM


W backs gun control.

Inconvenient fact, but true. And illegal immigration and higher taxes and just about everything else those dastardly Democrats support.

Including an unconstitutional war. By every definition, Bush is a screaming liberal. Tell me how he is not!

When you start actually understanding that Bush is merely the most powerful of the politicians you abhor, then you will become constructive in your suggestions to possible solutions.

Right now, you complain just like the SS folks who ain't gittin enough handouts.

Either strike at the root of the problem, Smif, or admit you are part of the problem.

You hate snakes. right?

Kill the snake, or quit bitching about their slithering around your feet.


Posted by: jb on May 15, 2005 10:50 PM

And this law has a flaw, WHERE? I don't see it. Someone with a brain better point it out to me, cause it just isn't showing.

Posted by: Wichi Dude on May 15, 2005 10:50 PM


What's your point - WTF does Bush have to do with a STATE government backing up citizens by defining the law so cheapshit judges can't play Dhimmicrat games?

or do you just cream your panties when you think about the Prez?

Every state needs to do this, the Dhimmis are gunning for folks that defend themselves as people that might not knuckle down to the nanny government either.

Posted by: Steve on May 15, 2005 11:27 PM

I live in Florida and am thrilled that this law has been passed. It's about damn time that we, as law abiding citizens, are allowed to protect ourselves without fear of repercussion.
I've always been a firm believer that....when guns are outlawed,only outlaws will own guns.
Now, it's "shoot to kill" and if you have a problem with that then stay the hell out of MY house!! Simple enough. Any dumbass can understand that.
After Hurricane Ivan struck us directly we had numerous problems with looters and this was a discussion often brought up in town meetings. Can we protect ourselves without fear of persecution? Now there's no doubt.
We are still in bad shape here as a result of Ivan (almost a year later). A sign posted on a house just down the road from me now reads: YOU LOOT, I SHOOT, NO SHIT!
JB, sometimes you make some valid points here on Rob's blog but sometimes it seems as if you are just spewing BS. This is one of those times.
Do you have a crush on Rob?? Just a thought since you seem to always be "pullling at his pigtails".
Sorry I went over that 30 word limit there Rob.

Posted by: dawn on May 15, 2005 11:57 PM

You should like this one then:

Posted by: Strider on May 16, 2005 12:18 AM

Approximately 30 words . . .

You Gut groupies are clueless as to how government takes your freedom--but impeccable when it comes to calling names.

I tip my hat to your persistent ignorance.

Posted by: jb on May 16, 2005 12:20 AM

"Tombstone" and the "OK Corral" are the most common responses to my own comments/opinions about personal protection. Upon doing some research (other than watching the movie), it appears that the only people doing the shooting that day were Sherrifs, Deputies, and the gang. So...bad call by the libtards. They still won't get the point when I tell them.

Posted by: Will on May 16, 2005 12:57 AM

Well, JB, since we're such ignorant cavepersons, perhaps when Acidman lifts that 30 word barrier off you, you can enlighten us as to exactly how government takes our freedom away, other than the fact that most Americans willingly allow it to occur because they want a false sense of security instead of independence and responsibility.

I mean, come out and just SAY it, man. Stop hiding behind those superior, manipulative language skills of yours. :-)

Posted by: JG22 on May 16, 2005 02:12 AM

"People tend to mind their manners when everybody is armed."


I first noticed that when I was stationed in Texas. I had the misfortune of having spent the greater part of my life until then in the peoples democratic republic of new york, where only the criminals have guns.

I liked Texas, mostly because of the Texans. Nice people, well armed and friendly---till you fucked with them too much or threatened them. The men are mostly the same way.

Posted by: StinKerr on May 16, 2005 03:53 AM

I call bullshit on JB. But anyway, we used to steal pumkins from the farmer down the road. Rumor had it that he loaded his shotgun with rock salt to shoot kids in the ass. Does that come under the Castle Law?

Posted by: Ivan Ivanovich on May 16, 2005 09:03 AM

Liddy was also in Allenwood Federal prison in PA

Not sure of any others....but Allenwood was also pretty much a Club Fed deal....(its not Alacatraz or Folsom)

And dont get me wrong....I like Liddy, but lets not try to say he did hard time like guys at THE ROCK.

Posted by: Ruth on May 16, 2005 09:03 AM


The Roswell (Atlanta suburb) City Council will in all probability vote tonight to make it illegal to use a firearm within city limits to protect your property. This will only mean you can use a firearm to protect your personal safety or life. In real terms this means that if someone breaks into your house and announces to you that they are not going to harm you in any way, you cannot use a firearm to keep them from running off with whatever they might find. Way to go Roswell!

Every single item of property in your home represents a portion of your life. It may be a few minutes to earn the money to buy a box of Cheerios; a few days to earn the money for a DVD player, or a few years to earn the money for some expensive jewelry. But every item represents a portion of your life .. and the theft of that item is a theft of that portion of your life. There is no such thing as property rights. There is the right to property. There is the right to protect and defend that portion of your life spent acquiring that property. As for me, I'll use a gun to protect my property if I feel the need to do so ... and let a jury figure out what happens then.

Posted by: Max on May 16, 2005 09:21 AM

As a displaced Georgia boy living in south Florida, I think this is the best law we have ever passed. Now I wonder if it matters whether I shoot the burglar with a pistol, rifle or rocket launcher? Hmmm... Think I'll save the rocket launcher for the car full of Julio's waiting to give the dead burglar a ride. What do you think? By the way, does having over 100 imaginary guns make me insane?

Posted by: assrot on May 16, 2005 09:21 AM


Posted by: GUYK on May 16, 2005 10:07 AM

W backs gun control.

Got a link for that bald, unsubstantiated assertion?

Posted by: McGehee on May 16, 2005 12:17 PM


i read your web almost daily, and this is my first post. You mentioned that GA has an "unwritten" version of this law.

Actually, Kennesaw, GA does. You are REQUIRED as a home owner by law to possess a firearm. Not sure how that works with Apartments, but it is indeed law in Kennesaw :-) Needless to say their crime rate is WAY LOW.

Posted by: LC Corey on May 16, 2005 12:34 PM

and, of course, I didn't notice that part of the original post :)
sorry for the redudancy!

Posted by: LC Corey on May 16, 2005 12:40 PM

"I live in Florida and am thrilled that this law has been passed"

Don't disagree with it at all. you really needed it. I lived in Fla most of my life. You have to bend over backwards for a weapon to be concealed.

Posted by: Cassidy on May 16, 2005 01:36 PM

I'll bet criminal defense attorneys like that law, too.

Posted by: kc on May 16, 2005 10:43 PM

excuse for it to be considered concealed. Bad wording.

Posted by: Cassidy on May 16, 2005 10:59 PM

can't type today.


"Excuse me, for it to be considered concealed."

Posted by: Cassidy on May 16, 2005 11:01 PM
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