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May 05, 2005

a little extreme

I don't believe that police should EVER handcuff a five year-old child. Cops should be able to handle that situation with a little more restraint.

But I also believe that the feel of the cuffs might not be a bad idea for some of the totally feral children I see running around like wild dogs today. At the age of five, the episode may scare the shit out of you, but you'll go home to sleep in your own bed when everything is said and done. Keep doing that shit and one day the cuffs don't come off and you end up spending a lot of time a a jail cell.

Of course, the mother is suing everybody.

Mekel Finch, the boy's mother, sued the police department, the bus company and the driver in Hamilton County Common Pleas Court on Friday. She is asking for more than $50,000.

There's not enough information in that article for me to make up my mind about this case. I was kicked off the school bus twice in my life for fighting, but the other guy had that shit coming to him. The police never became involved.

My PARENTS did, but they didn't sue anybody. They tore my ass up the first time and let the second one slide because the bus driver called my mama and reported that the bully on the bus DID have it coming to him. But she still had to kick me off the bus. Those were the rules. I hitch-hiked to school for the rest of the year and I usually beat the bus there.

Most cops can pick up a five year-old by the scruff of the neck and shake him like a rag doll. That'll usually stop a temper tantrum. Were the cuffs necessary?

I don't know. Check back on this kid in 10 years.


Comments

Does the second sentence contradict the first?

Posted by: gregory on May 5, 2005 05:12 PM

Doesn't matter. If they picked the little shit up by the neck and shook him, they would be sued for brutality.

Posted by: rightisright on May 5, 2005 05:24 PM

Adding to RightisRight....the cops are gonna feel it regardless which way they go. Because we (collectively) transferred the responsibility for handling our kids first *to* the schools, and now to anyone but ourselves....what are the administrations supposed to do...what are the cops supposed to do? Used to be (to paraphrase Cosby) if you did something wrong at school, the dean or principal whacked ya, and various members of the community might do the same as well, when you were found to be walking back home earlier in the day, then at the end of the normal school day. And of course you got whacked at home.

People can not even agree on whether or not spanking is *ok*. Everyone wants a manual on how to raise a child...forgetting it was done for so many thousands of years before books and head doctors were even around. The end result of all this is the current state of affairs we have with children and child rearing in general today. And the ones who really loose in the end are the kids.
*hands Rob back his soapbox*

Posted by: Guy S. on May 5, 2005 05:58 PM

..RIGHTISRIGHT is right... without the cuffs, the Mother would have an even BETTER case... heaven forbid the Cop picked up the kid and gave it the spanking it desperately needed... Hell, that'd freak everybody out...

Posted by: Eric on May 5, 2005 06:54 PM

a little more restraint would be? leg irons , straight jacket , belly chain

Posted by: GREGORY on May 5, 2005 07:26 PM

"Most cops can pick up a five year-old by the scruff of the neck and shake him like a rag doll. That'll usually stop a temper tantrum. Were the cuffs necessary?"

Rightisright is correct...had the cops attempted anything like that, the repercussions against them would be far worse than following standard procedure and cuffing any subject being taken into custody, no matter how temporary, or what their age.

Posted by: delftsman3 on May 5, 2005 08:14 PM

In ten years the feral child will be a 15 year old mother of two welfare children. The 'victim mother' will have given the settlement money away to the 3 different fathers of her next 4 kids. The state welfare will have spent 500,000 dollars on this family in food stamps, medical benifits and rent payment. You know the drill.

Posted by: dancusa on May 5, 2005 08:41 PM

They should sue the, so called, "PARENTS" for having that child!

Posted by: Rita on May 5, 2005 09:41 PM

Yet another bit of evidence that the USSR never really died: it just took a trip across the Bering Strait into Canada and the US, making itself more bearable and comfortable along the way. Between the public schools and laws banning forms of discipline that were perfectly acceptable in my father's day, we're slowly losing control of our children. My siblings have three spoiled children (ages 1-5) that they have hardly any control over. Oh sure, they scream and curse at them plenty when they're misbehaving, but they don't spank them at all. When I've called their place and heard some of the things they've yelled at their kids in an attempt to make them behave, I think to myself that a spanking would do less emotional and psychological damage.

Posted by: JG22 on May 5, 2005 09:52 PM

that little girl learned that behavior from her mother. bout time we get these kids outta the school and let those that want to learn do so!!!!

Posted by: johndeerebilly on May 5, 2005 10:22 PM

Let's set an example here. Let's show the child what happens if a parent won't take responsibility for raising a child properly. I saw that video. And if my child ever thought about carrying on like that I ask the teacher and cops leave the room while I scored some good old fashioned "over my knee" discipline. Of course in today's climate I would probably be arrested for child abuse. So what the hell, might as well sue.

Posted by: Dean on May 5, 2005 11:59 PM

Saw it all with that child

Know that section of St. Pete like the back of my hand.

That child is mild by behavioral comparison to what happens in the "hood" in St. Pete on an everyday basis.

FYI . . . were I a cop . . . cuffs. No question.

Posted by: jb on May 6, 2005 12:48 AM

that momma's "gettin paid"

Posted by: Robert on May 6, 2005 02:13 AM

My husband is a retired police officer, and if he got a call like this, he'd have told that principal "Listen pal, I am NOT gonna do your job, and if you call me back here again, I will lock YOU up, not the kid"

Something to keep in mind...If the parents had put handcuffs on a five year old, they'd be brought up on child abuse charges.

Cops today have NO COMMON SENSE, they got lots of book learning, but zero common sense.

These same cops who are in such a rush to handcuff five year olds are the same ones who would SIT outside a high school (like Columbine) while some teenage shooter empties the clip.

Real cops (with balls) would have entered that building (in Colorado) and followed the shots...but before that even happened, the asshole cop in the parking lot (on security detail) should have run the bastards over when they were crossing the parking lot with their shotguns in hand.

Instead, the asshole watched them go inside (loaded for bear) and when his backup showed up, they all hid behind firetrucks and waited till the two shooters were out of bullets. The cops in that case should have been FIRED and so should any cop who handcuffs a five year old child.

Posted by: Ruth on May 6, 2005 06:22 AM

I can just see it know....darling little girl with black and blues on her tiny little arms showing the exact position of each finger of the brutal beast of a cop as he tried to restrain the sweet "princess"....

GET REAL HERE FOLKS!

The mother should also be in handcuffs for refusing to come to school and get her daughter when called by school officials to do so! BEFORE THE COPS WERE CALLED!

Posted by: Maggie on May 6, 2005 07:26 AM

I dont think anyone would mistake this ill behaved BRAT for a "darling little girl", however, handcuffing a 5 year old goes beyond the pale. They dont make cops like they used to.

Posted by: Ruth on May 6, 2005 07:58 AM

This kid is just another fine product of our welfare system. The mother is unwed with 5 children and doesn't know the daddy of any of them. She is useless and she is teaching her kids the same thing. I think the kid and her mama need a good old Georgia ass whipping with a hickory switch every goddam day until they understand that their behavior is no longer accepted in our society. I think handcuffing her was a good thing. Maybe next time the little brat will think twice before having a hissy fit. Probably not though since her mom is already coddling her and telling her that everything is okay. It is a shame that the mom will probably profit big time from this while the cops will likely be reprimanded. I can tell you where this kid will be in ten years. She will be on the street, smoking crack and pumping out welfare babies every year until she dies.

Posted by: assrot on May 6, 2005 08:16 AM

Kill the child.

Nits make lice.

Posted by: Twenty Major on May 6, 2005 09:00 AM

RUTH, you're not getting it....it's a NO WIN for the cops. They were going to get sued no matter what they did or didn't do. Why their mere presence could cause emotional trauma to one so young.......requiring years of intensive therapy.

I saw the video of the darlin little girl climbing up onto a table....if she fell off and broke something, the adult in the room (school official or police) would have been sued for that.

NO WIN.....there is a mentality in certain segements of the population (across racial lines) that believe THE COURT SYSTEM IS A NEW FORM OF WELFARE. PERIOD.

Posted by: Maggie on May 6, 2005 01:34 PM

I AM getting. I am married to a man who who was a cop for over 30 years and is now with the US Marshals service and no way, no how, would he ever handcuff a 5 year old child. So spare me the bullshit.

Posted by: Ruth on May 6, 2005 02:56 PM

... Most cops can pick up a five year-old by the scruff of the neck and shake him like a rag doll. That'll usually stop a temper tantrum. Were the cuffs necessary? ...

That's precisely why the cops used the cuffs, because they aren't permitted to do what makes sense !! The little brat was clearly out of control, but restraining the child with their hands would have the cops hung out to dry for brutality. Unfortunately, that was all that was left to them to do what was clearly necessary !!

BTW, Ruth, then what would your Mr. Perfection have done ???

Posted by: MommaBear on May 9, 2005 06:08 AM

... Most cops can pick up a five year-old by the scruff of the neck and shake him like a rag doll. That'll usually stop a temper tantrum. Were the cuffs necessary? ...

That's precisely why the cops used the cuffs, because they aren't permitted to do what makes sense !! The little brat was clearly out of control, but restraining the child with their hands would have the cops hung out to dry for brutality. Unfortunately, that was all that was left to them to do what was clearly necessary !!

BTW, Ruth, then what would your Mr. Perfection have done ???

Posted by: MommaBear on May 9, 2005 06:17 AM
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