Gut Rumbles

April 04, 2005

I agree

I stole this from instapundit and I like the thinking behind it.

MORE: Reader Jeff Cook emails:

I expect it within the next two years. We should be selling nuking up to Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea, and let it slip out that we're doing it. Within a decade a China with 1 billion citizens and 9% economic growth will be able to afford armed forces and weapons systems we can only dream about. They will be a threat to all of South Asia, Phillipines, Indonesia, and, who knows, Australia.

Unless we build a buffer of reasonably friendly and well-armed states, including Iran, Pakistan, and Russia, we will find ourselves in a war we cannot win. I have no strategic competencies, and no qualifications. It's just seems obvious.

I believe that Jeff Cook is a very astute individual. If I were President, I would have armed Taiwan, South Korea and Japan with tactical nukes long ago. Not ICBMS (let them figure those out on their own), but very spooky nukes capable of being launched against North Korea and China.

I would have done it strictly on the quiet, too, except for that "accidental" leak, complete with pictures, that those clever Chinese managed to get their hands on. If the Chinese started waving those pictures around the UN and screaming about the evil United States arming China's enemies, I would have a well-rehearsed spokeman say that he didn't have a fucking clue what the Chinese were bitching about.

I would do it, let them KNOW I did it, then deny doing it to the rest of the world. Let the Chinese deal with THAT. Now, big-dicks, you're surrounded on three sides with countries that can lob nukes into your largest cities. Still wanna play footsie in Taiwan?

I believe in Macchiavellian politics.


We have enough of those big sticks on a nice fleet of submarines. We should launch a few more of those boats.

Posted by: Tom S on April 4, 2005 09:35 PM

Yes, let's give those folks responsible for Pearl Harbor nuclear weapons. Great idea.

Posted by: Bane on April 4, 2005 10:01 PM

TOM S is right...we can fuck'em up w/ out anyones help. One boomer carries 24 ICBM's....24! Got damn! Each missle carries 10 warheads! That's 240 fucked up Chinese cities....and that's just from one boat. Great thing about the Navy....built in redundancy. We got bunches of them suns a bitches. Throw in what the Air Force can deliver from B-1's , B-2's and B-52's, plus the Space Command's missles in the ground....damn! Them Chinese...they're evil but they ain't stupid. They understand the folly of beginning such a war. Mutually assured destruction. We could cut our existing inventory in half and still have enough to turn planet earth into a 2nd sun.

Posted by: DONGER on April 5, 2005 12:07 AM

according to rumor tactical nuclear weapons have been removed from the Miliary Arsenal and from foreign soil. Something about a SALT treaty or something.

Posted by: James Old Guy on April 5, 2005 09:10 AM

That's something to be concerned about, Bane, but the folks responsible for the Christmas offensive across the Yalu River, the Great Leap Forward, and the Cultural Revolution pose a bit of a problem themselves--not to mention their stone-cold-nut clients in the northern half of the Land of the Morning Calm.

If they wanted to, the "folks responsible for Pearl Harbor" could, using a phrase I read once and took to heart, "go nuclear on their lunch hour." That's hyperbole, of course, but I have no doubt about Japanese capability.

Not much doubt about Taiwanese or South Korean capability, either. Taiwan would need to take a sick day, and the the Southerners (Korean type) might need a three-day weekend. (Don't mind my hyperbole, that just means he like you) :)

We wouldn't have to give anyone anything, yet still face a five way arms race (or seven man standoff if you throw in us, and the degraded yet still nuclear Russians) in the Western Pacific. Things haven't reached that pass yet, but optimists are more frequently disappointed than pessimists like me.

If I'm right, and it's best if I'm not, the goal of our foreign policy must be to keep the capitalist Asian nations on our side, and to deter the communist ones. Taiwan, South Korea and Japan are not Arab or Muslim nations--they can go nuclear with much greater ease, and possess the fissile material with which to do so.

If we're not now riding the tiger, we will shortly be doing so.

Posted by: Mike James on April 5, 2005 03:16 PM

There's just one problem with that, Donger. There's over a billion of the bastards. They don't give a shit if a couple hundred million of their citizens are killed. Hell, they just wish they could do it themselves!

Posted by: Ralph Gizzip on April 5, 2005 07:28 PM

The only reason why the Taiwanese and the Japanes have not gone nuclear has nothing to dowith capabilities but with sensibilities. Nuckear weapons are first and foremost POLITICAL weapons. It tells your possible adversaries we are willing to exterminate millions if pushed, so dont. The Japanese carry nagasaki and hiroshima as part of their psyche and would not forgive a government that chooses to go nuclear. It would be the equivalent of the IDF incinerating Palestinian bodies in government owned crematorioums.
The exception would be a nuclear test by North Korea. The instant that happens, Japan and Taiwan go nuclear within 6 months, with full backing by their populations. China will trully hate a nuclear Taiwan, but unless they invade them before weapons testing is completed, there is nothing they can do about it. Even the chineses dont want to set their civilization back 200 years after a nuclear exchange with the Taiwanese.

Posted by: Rey on April 5, 2005 07:39 PM

Touche, Ralph...point taken.But their POPULATION is 1 bil. not their army.

Posted by: DONGER on April 5, 2005 10:41 PM

The Chinese Army appears to weigh in at around 1.5-2 million, not sure whether that includes the People's Armed Police (National Guard). Their camo's (woodland) look almost exactly like the ones our Army currently uses, which is why we're about to ditch them in favor of something more similar to what the Marines started using several months ago. Their airforce and helicopters look remarkably similar to ours, they've got a good supply of modern tanks, or so it looks, but they don't appear to have any Aircraft Carriers in their navy, yet.

If we were to go up against them (all the way to Beijing), the easy part would probably be the fact that we'd be taking on an organized force of largely traditional structure and organization (like Saddam's old army, which we pretty much ran over with a steam roller both times). The hard part would be that they're considerably modernized, outnumber our current ground force by over half, would give us a fairly long-difficult fight similar to that of WWII (with both sides current technology, of course), and are currently testing nukes that could reach the mainland US for all we know.

It could end up like the Cold War all over again, of course, but as they say, "hope for the best, prepare for the worst."

Posted by: JG22 on April 6, 2005 10:52 PM
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