Gut Rumbles

April 01, 2005

Raking on Religion

The news is saying that the pope is fading fast. I'm sorry to hear that because I sort of admire the tough old bird. He's got some steel balls under that white skirt.

But I also believe that he screwed up the church badly.

I believe that a Pope is like the CEO of a large company. (I'm leaving all the religious crap OUT OF THIS RANT. If you are naive enough to believe that all popes are holy men, just read some history. Every kind of rascal, incompetent, power-hungry, deluded, theiving, murderous, ambitious and self-aggrandizing bastard from the base to the best have been Pope before. I don't care how good he is--- he'll never be the "voice of God" to me.

He is an administrator, and I don't think Paul has done a very good job during his term behind the mahogany desk. The horrendous charges of child molestation are bad enough, but the cover-ups and the pay-offs are even worse. Downright disgusting. And the Pope had to know.

When I first started reading about the Catholic church, I learned that the whole vow of chastity thing came from the desire of the church to KEEP all of your property when you died. You left no wives and no progeny. The church became rich that way.

A Catholic ceremony remains the most ornate and impressive spectacle that I've ever seen, and I've been to all kinds of churches. They put on a good show with the swinging censors and the fancy robes, and all that Latin that nobody can understand.

But I still say that for KNOWING so many priests abused children and for not making heads roll before the lawyers did, the Pope did not act as a competent CEO. And if you think the Catholic Church isn't a big-time corporation, you are out of your mind.

I wish the Pope the best of luck. But he didn't do a good job.


Popes are only human. They are capable of all the corruption that tempts Man. During the Renaissance, when the Silk Road caused Venice to prosper, and the Medici family built its lavish palaces, the materialism and excess of this banking family caused locals to be impressed with wealth, not piety. To compensate, the Pope had the Vatican and its adjacent buildings upgraded to reflect the same opulence. The bitterly poor were given "indulgences" (a free ticket into heaven) if they contributed financially toward these opulent restorations. (See, The Renaissance Bazaar by Jerry Brotton, Oxford University Prsss).This was when the power of the Christian Church became compromised, and the corruption continues to this day. Religion has a lifespan; birth, effulgence and glory, and decay...just like everything else.

Posted by: Bonita on April 1, 2005 07:29 PM

Protestant and Jewish and Muslim , and schoolteachers, and Scout leaders, and every other type of adult who has close contact with children has members that are pedophiles. It's not the Catholic church. I see a lot of bullshit prejudice against my Church, often from bigoted southern baptists (no ca

Posted by: Uncle JuJu on April 1, 2005 07:58 PM


My wife is Catholic, and for her church's 150th anniversary they put on a latin mass (last month).

They had trouble getting permission from the Bishop, finding music, and finding all the texts they needed. None of the young priests had ever even attended a Latin mass.

When was the last time you went to a Catholic mass?

Posted by: lpdbw on April 1, 2005 08:22 PM

Oh please, uncle juju.

The systemic pedophilic infection in the body of the Catholic Church is without question. Don't pull the old, "well other people do it, too" routine.

Muslim males 22-44 are blowing up people all over the world. Chechneya, Jakarta, Bali, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Lebannon, Spain, Israel, the USA, northern India and on and on and on.. And you say, "Yeah, but what about Tim McViegh?"

Posted by: rightisright on April 1, 2005 08:29 PM

The Goddess is a live and magic is a foot.

Posted by: Maeve on April 2, 2005 01:43 AM

The last Catholic mass I attended was in Charleston SC, in 1985. The entire ceremony wasn't in Latin, but the priest damn sure threw out some of those "abdomious
gogetsomes," "benimus donnat" and other crap that I couldn't understand while breathing all that insense smoke.

Mighty fine ritual, if that's what you're looking for.

Posted by: Acidman on April 2, 2005 02:09 AM

My elaborate post on the Pope is here. I originally posted it when CNN and Fox declared him dead, but when they said he had not yet gone, I updated it to show that fact, and will update it again when he finally goes Home to be with Christ.

Posted by: Don Singleton on April 2, 2005 10:08 AM

This country was founded by people fleeing the persecutions of the catholic church. Many people were burned at the stake by governments who were run by the church. Look up what they did to protestants and anabaptists back in the 14-1500s. A good book to start with is The Martyrs Mirror.
Are you aware that when this country was first being settled that all people were welcome, except Catholics. Hmm, ya think there might have been a reason for that?
So am I a bit prejudiced? You damn right I am.
Study your history JUJU, then get back with me.

Posted by: marcy on April 2, 2005 05:29 PM

Though born and bred an Irish Catholic nevertheless I agree that there's a lot of wisdom in what you say Rob. He might have been a good man but I don't think he did that good a job. The Church needs to be dragged into the 21st Century. It's already running at least two centuries behind. Good on you too for knowing the historical reasons for celibacy, Nothing to do with piety and everything to do with property. The Church will wither and die unless it does away with the celibacy rule. It's obvious that it's attracting the wrong sorts to the priesthood. But a lot of people cared about him so God bless him. He was a human being first and foremost.

Posted by: Nelly on April 2, 2005 05:30 PM

The Church needs to be dragged into the 21st Centruy alright. A century that so far looks like it's ready to toss religion into the garbage in favor of European-style Government-worship.

Is it any suprise that Christmas has become the Holiday Shopping Season?

Posted by: JG22 on April 2, 2005 07:26 PM

A bit selective with your history aren't you Marcy? One of our original 13 colonies was founded as a Catholic colony - Maryland.

The Catholics were not the only ones to to use burning at the stake as punishment for heresy. During the reformation, it was a fairly common practice.

Posted by: Roy on April 2, 2005 08:51 PM

john paul ii was also one of the most progressive popes in history. he was the first pope to reach out to many other faiths, he acknowledged the role of the vatican in the holocaust, and he worked for peace. blaming the pope for the the molestation scandal is like blaming the president for government employees in foreign embassies screwing up on the job. technically, he had something to do with it, of course. but more of the blame lies with other clergy, including bishops on the local level, who ignored and / or suppressed evidence of the molestation cases.

i am not catholic, btw.

Posted by: not-troll beth on April 3, 2005 05:55 PM
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