Gut Rumbles

March 18, 2005

butt out!

What in the hell is the US Congress doing getting involved in this matter? Don't they have anything better to do with their time? (Actually, they do--- they also want to chase after steroids in baseball)

Terri Schiavo's situation is a family affair that should be settled by the family. If they cannot agree, then the case should go to a local court. The Federal Government should butt out. I know that the grandstanding assholes believe that government should handle EVERYTHING today, right down to the microscopic level, but we have to draw the line somewhere.

This is none of their goddam business.


Let's have you play a mind game. Go back in time.....several years ago

Imagine you're in Terri Schiavo's condition........imagine the decision to be kept alive is to be made by your wife or your beloved mama.....

Who would you have trusted?

Remember that old adage that blood is thicker than water.

This case stinks to high heaven needs investigation. If she were my daughter, I would want the right to some sleaze bag guy who now has two kids by some other woman.

Posted by: Maggie on March 18, 2005 12:17 PM

Put yourself in Terry Schiavo's place, and then imagine your ex-wife having the power to make the decision to kill you by starvation. How would your parents feel?

I agree with you, in that the government shouldn't have anything to do with this situation, but what the fuck are you going to do? What would you do if the person on that feeding tube were Quinton? Why can't her asshole (erstwhile) husband just walk away, and let her family deal with her, which they want to do. What is he trying to hide?

I am a Christian, and this whole deal repulses me. Even if I were not religious, I would have some serious issues with what is going on here. Yes, she was wrong in not having a living will, and let that be a lesson to everyone here, but to just pull a feeding tube, and starve a human being to death is not right. I come down on the side of preserving life, not taking it. Death row prisoners get more consideration than Terry Schiavo has received, and that is just plain wrong, no matter what your religious bent happens to be.

Just my two pennies is all.

Posted by: Anthony L. on March 18, 2005 12:26 PM

A bunch of people have got their collective panties in a wad about this. They condemn the husband because he wants a life and doesn't want to be responsble for a woman who is a fucking veggie platter. Everyone in the world knows what is best except for the guy that married her. Fucking double standards life is precious whinning ass morons. This woman long ago stopped being a person and became a symbol for everyone that knows what is best for the rest of us morons. I expected as much from a bunch of grandstanding , no work ethic , ass hats in congress.

Posted by: James Old Guy on March 18, 2005 12:33 PM

JAMES, the husband wants a life?


Posted by: Maggie on March 18, 2005 12:43 PM

Who's paying to keep her alive?

Posted by: DaneBramage on March 18, 2005 12:54 PM

NEWS JUST IN----- The tube stays in.

Posted by: DaneBramage on March 18, 2005 12:55 PM

If I were in that shape, I would want the tube pulled. If QUINTON were in that shape, I'd pull the tube myself. I don't know why you people are so pissed at the husband.

I just watched my mama die, and trust me. My brother and I would NEVER have let her hang on like that.

There is a big difference between living and being alive.

Posted by: Acidman on March 18, 2005 01:01 PM

You're the first blog I've read that has the same positions as I do. What it boils down to is that she should never have been kept alive this long. I'm inclined to believe the husband in this matter and all these people who are butting into the matter have absolutely no business or even right to do so. People forget that an individual has an inherent right to decide what they want to happen to them in the future, and since her desire to not be kept alive artificially has been proven in court, she should not be kept alive artificially.

Posted by: Alden on March 18, 2005 01:20 PM

This is a Fifty Percenter!! Fifty percent of the time, I agree with you, A-Man!!!

Posted by: Indigo on March 18, 2005 01:23 PM

I could agree with A-man and others had I not seen the videos. This gal ain't no vegetable! She might have the mind of an infant, but that's orders of magnitude above a vege!

Posted by: Ed on March 18, 2005 01:50 PM

Sorry, A-man, I was trying to get a response from you, and I guess I did. I know what I would do for my son, my father, or my mother... that would be between us, and yes, I agree, the government shouldn't have any say whatsoever.


If my wife were in that situation, I would defer to her family, and respect their wishes to keep her alive. Blood is thicker than water, and I can respect that, as you amply pointed out in your response.

How can you possibly support state sponsored murder, based on a husband's heresay testimony? There is much more here than meets the eye, and I would prefer to come down on the side of the family. Her husband can just walk away, but he refuses to do so. You have to ask yourself, as a reasonable man, what would you do? As her husband. If you truly loved her and her family? Sorry, I smell a rat.

Posted by: Anthony L. on March 18, 2005 02:23 PM

This is a pretty difficult subject for many people. I personally wouldn NOT want to be kept alive.
Maggie, I agree with you about if the husband wants alife he should get a divorce; BUT, and this is where it gets complicated. If he were to divorce her, half of their assests would go to her. She is in a home on medicaid. The money from the assests would disqualify her, then she would lose her benefits. So it is a sticky wicket deal.

Posted by: Michele on March 18, 2005 05:14 PM

Nothing could be less pertinent than what you say you would want. For one thing, that doesen't even make a decent broad case for the right to die, wanting something to be a right isn't what makes it a right. For another thing, what people say they want is almost invariably NOT what they want, that's why we have money (so people can put it where their mouths are). Everyone says that they'd rather be executed promptly than spend 30 years on death row. Now put someone on death row and watch them appeal the sentence for 30. Whenever someone says, "Under certain hypothetical circumstances, I would want to die", that is FUKING BULLSHIT, aside from being non-pertinent in every concievable way. "I would want to die" is not "This other person has consented to be killed". "I want" is not "I have the right to compel a doctor to violate his oath".

Let us stipulate that there is a right to die (something for which no evidence or arguments have been presented, ever). It does not follow that in every case that it is asserted that a person should be euthanized, the assertion is true. There must be some concievable case in which euthanasia would be proposed, when it would not be appropriate. Such as when there is no evidence that the person in question has consented, when the person IS NOT in as bad a condition as the FUCKING LAWYERS assert, etc...

If putting some check on the power of outlaw judges dosen't fall under the purview of Congress, then WHAT THE FUCK AM I PAYING THOSE LITTLE SHITS FOR???

Posted by: Dave Munger on March 18, 2005 05:59 PM

I watched the show "Saving Millie" a couple of nights ago...about one of the "Beltway Boys" of Fox News Channel...the one who leans left. Mort Kondrake...telling the story of how his wife got Parkinson' she wanted to she told him she wanted no feeding tube when the time came!! He cried when he agreed...OK, Millie, it will be your decision.

When the time came, as bad as she was, as bad as the tremors...she couldn't speak..she couldn't swallow...she gave her husband the signal NOT, I REPEAT, NOT to remove the feeding tube.

The strongest human instinct is SURVIVAL...often love for an instant will overpower and someone will risk all for their loved one. But SURVIVAL is programmed in as top dog....we think we know what we will want...we rationalize, but ultimately, if we do not walk in their shoes, we cannot be 100% sure what our decision would be.

Acid, if you were in no pain...if you thought nothing, felt nothing...but it gave your mother great joy to have you laying in that bed so she could spend her remaining days with you,
would you have denied her that? ? ?

Why deny Terri's parents???

Posted by: Maggie on March 18, 2005 06:29 PM

You All Miss The Point!!!!!
Ya'll miss the point (I AM southern!)
Have you shot your dog?
Rob has and I have have too.
There are people counting on me to help
When it comes to that.
I understand.

I won't shoot Terry. Would you?

Posted by: Ed on March 18, 2005 07:08 PM

I have a kid that is fucked-up and she goes to school with other kids that are as fucked-up as Terri.. You gonna send the death squads after them next ?? Hell, I'm a cripple and fat and smoke and own guns and am a true-blood redneck, so you gonna put a time-stamp, experation date, on my ass too ?? Who do you think they ought to "put out of their misery next ?? I'd start worryin about that sore gut of yours Rob, cause you caint ever tell when some fuckin judge is gonna decide for YOU, when You need to be taken on your last hunt !!

Posted by: Wild Bill on March 18, 2005 08:04 PM

Wild Bill
I am about to be the most pissed off fucker online you would ever want to cross.
I don't like you. I would pop you, pick a calibre.
Sorry Rob to take up your space, this cannot go unanswered. I might be a bit pissed off.

wild bill,, fuck you please suck this bullet and die

Posted by: murry on March 19, 2005 03:35 AM

Judge Murray has decried that I must die. At least he has chosen a more humane way of execution than Judge Greer chose for Terri.. The Declaration of Independence grants us all the right to LIFE, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness, yet my LIFE serves no useful purpose to the pursuit of Murray's happiness, so therefore, I must die.. Terri's life serves no useful purpose to the pursuit of her husbands happiness, so, therefore SHE must die also.. A State Judge has overruled the Declaration of Independence, and this is where I justify the case being taken up in Federal Court and the Senate.. The Dumbacrats have now reduced the Declaration of Indepence to a so-called LIVING DOCUMENT, just as they have done to the Constitution.. And remember Murray, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE !! They dont call me Wild Bill for nuthin..

Posted by: Wild Bill on March 19, 2005 12:01 PM

This whole situation is a rampaging cluster fuck.

The only reason I think the feds should get involved is for my own selfish reasons: namely that congress is going to bitchslap this judge with a contept charge and probably end up reigning in some of the bullshit legislating from the bench that is fucking rampant in this country's herd of activist bench penguins. And I think that's long overdue.

From what I understand, a senator made a motion to have Terri testify in front of a grand jury or something. Bullshit, yes, since she has the mind of an infant, but once under that umbrella she is then protected as a witness and by authorizing the removal of the feeding tube that judge is in DEEP shit. Like possible jail time deep shit.

Aside from all that, I think letting her die by dehydration is fucking evil, pure and simple. They should tape every moment of her slowly dying and make the "it's painless" assholes watch her cramp and twitch her life away.

If they're going to euthanize the woman, fucking put her lights out instantly, I wouldn't let a goddamn wounded bird in my yard starve to death let alone a human being.

Posted by: Graumagus on March 19, 2005 12:47 PM

I live down here in Florida, and we have been seeing more in the news about this (in the past few months) than anyone else (Tampa isnt so far from Orlando). The parents asked the guy to just divorce her then so they could take care of her. After all I had been hearing, it appeared neither side was telling it all. Usually a fight like this eventually involves money. LOTS of it. I thought she had an inherentence or something.

I found out later that there was a 1 million malpractice lawsuit won and 700,000 was put in a trust fund to take care of Terry. (presumably 300,000 went to the vulture laywer, the only clear winner).

As far as Terry, I agree that govt should stay out of it, does anyone KNOW what "persistive Vegetative State" is? the time spent by media, congress, courts, judges, is all way past the original million now (when you add up salaries), and all the blogs yelling "Save Terry Shiavo!" - We are not talking a coma here, where someone is asleep and might come back with full fuctionality, the driver has essentially got out of the car, there is a body with a name Terry on it, but that person left a long time ago.

Posted by: Centauri on March 19, 2005 06:29 PM

Gee Dave - Ok _ I guess I was all wrong about 15 years, and the sudden publicity will make a miracle happen this week. sorry for my ignorance in Florida.

Posted by: Centauri on March 19, 2005 11:27 PM

If you're still here, Centauri, are you saying that you think what I just said was that the reason not to kill a person who is brain damaged is that she might suddenly not be brain damaged any more at some point? IMO, such monumental incomprehension usually is more of a passive aggressive thing than a low IQ thing.

Posted by: Dave Munger on March 20, 2005 09:17 PM

I used to work for a vet. One of the techs once asked me if I knew what euthanasia was. The phrase that came to mind was "legalized murder". Yes, it eases pets out of their misery. But there are those who put animals "to sleep" for no ther reason than cruelty and neglect.
Govt. needs to butt out. But I also think Terri's death before the period when the feeding tube taken out is supposed to end her life would not be a bad thing.

Posted by: Nancy on March 22, 2005 03:29 PM

Agreed. But Terri need to die before the 7 to 14 day period. Personally, I don't think anyone is telling the whole truth about this matter.

Posted by: Nancy on March 22, 2005 03:34 PM
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