September 03, 2004
I believe that david Steinberg once did a stand-up routine about stereotypes. I don't believe that he could get away with that act today.
He had the NERVE to suggest that some Jews are good with money, some Irish drink to excess, some Polish people aren't really smart, some blacks have rhythm and some Asian kids do VERY well in school. Imagine that. Where do you think stereotypes come from?
Let's try the same motif a different way: Blacks are good with money. Jews drink to excess. Asian kids aren't really smart. Polish kids do VERY well in school. Irish people just keep fucking up all the time. Hell--- I'm Irish, so I can say that politically-incorrect statement with impunity.
But that shit ain't gonna fly because there is NO BASIS for saying such things. You can't create a stereotype or a generalization unless a group displayed the kind of behavior you're GENERALIZING, and they displayed it consistantly.
Stereotypes exist because people EARNED THEM. These things weren't just invented out of whole cloth. I know that you can't paint everyone with a broad brush, but reality is what it is.
Yeah. I have no problems with generalizations.
Yin and Yan...
Women ARE more emotional than men
Women ARE more sensitive than men
Women ARE more intuitive than men
Women ARE (physically) the weaker sex
Honestly, none of these generalizations should be insulting to women, as they are true. And, if read with a clearer mind, supposes that the reverse it true as well.
Men ARE physically stronger, yet LESS sensitive, emotional, and intuitive.
We are NOT the same, and who the hell would want us to be one great big homogenous blob? Do men really want a relationship, of any sort, with a woman who more closely resembles a man...and for all of the talk from the female gender about sensitivity...how many would ever actually want to date the 'sensitive, brooding, artistic type'?
Why do women (generalizing here) find that being called softer and more sensitive is an insult?
Exactly why God created the two genders so differently. I agree JMFLYNNY and none of those generalizations you made SHOULD insult women. Can't imagine why they would.
Acidman, don't you realize what you are saying when you say "Stereotypes exist because people EARNED THEM. These things weren't just invented out of whole cloth. I know that you can't paint everyone with a broad brush, but reality is what it is."
Then when I hear that all Southerners are corn-bread lovin' , rotten-toothed rednecks, then that's true? BULLSHIT!
I'm not trying to pick a fight here but DAMN!!!! Just DAMN!!
Oh yes. I should mention that although I live in the North now, my parents raised us in Virginia. I am a Southerner at heart.
I've lived with the southern stereotypes my entire life...truth is, I'm not bothered by them. It only takes one meeting to dispel those images in one's mind. Hell...I'm guilty of making some of the same types of jokes, and actually, get a huge kick out of some of the colloquialisms.
No Kate, you didn't get what he was saying:
He said that a stereotype is created from the actions of a majority within a group.
So, not ALL Southerners are "corn-bread lovin' , rotten-toothed rednecks" -- but MOST of them are.
In this world of 6 billion human beings, it's tough to stand out among the herd. People want very badly to be different and resent it when they are told that they are like everyone else.
Also, people don't want to be told that they have limitations. Some women don't want to be told that they are physically weaker, because some women could probably kick a good portion of the male populations asses. I knew a few WMs (Women Marines) who were just that tough.....(and don't throw in a stereotype about lesbians cause these WMs were married with children.)
Kate, I love cornbread, especially with a plate of collard greens and home grown peppers, I have rotten teeth, although through the miracles of modern dentistry, you'd never know it. And to top it all off, I'm a proud redneck. If you folks knew where the term "redneck" originated, you'd realize that it's not an insult. Nice try, but I like it here in the briar patch.
Oh Mike, please tell me that you're not talking about that cooked in the oven, corn-muffin kind of cornbread.
Proper cornbread, particularly when served with collard greens, is prepared on TOP of the stove, in a cast iron skillet, and is dense and thick...just right for sopping up the 'pot liquor'.
Better still with a few cracklins thrown in.
We should know better than to argue with a woman, it is like trying to drown a catfish.
I understand generalizations. Rob is the way he is. What is sometimes bothersome is that in order to accent his southernisms, he must first say something negative about northerners, easterners, westerners, etc.. I'd say that the southern way is more flattering without negating other ways.
BAH! Im Polish, i go to Binghamton University, an well ranked State University, I spent two years of high school doing internships for NASA, and i was an honors student ever since i was in first grade. Generalizations are crap, because i know plenty of stupid Asians, Blacks who cant dance for shit, and plenty of bankrupt Jews.
I just feel that when you break the mold and do something that society doesnt expect you to do, such as being a "Smart Polack", its just better for you.
oh yeah, and i from the north and i SWAGGER ALL THE TIME! (must be the secret to my success, that, boiled peanuts (which are totally awesome) and homecooked Polish food.)
I think Rob's assessment is right on target; although I might have used the words, "played into" rather than earned.
Sometimes we don't like the truth, but it remains......
There is a generalization about Republicans too. You know , how only they support our troops. Only they know how to provide security at home.
There may have once been some truth in saying Republicans voted for military spending, but then Ike warned the electorate about the danger of a growing military industrialist complex. Ike, as I recall, was a Republican.
This explains it better
Jews are good comedians. They have a Catskills gene in them.
Gee, guess I hit a nerve with my comment the other day about Acidman's "generalized abuse" of women. At least, I've noticed an awful lot of generalized chatter about generalizations since then. Of course, the chatter could have been present before. I wouldn't know, cuz I haven't been a daily visitor for very long. New to the blogosphere and all that. But right now I'm gonna go with the assumption that it was my remark that set it off.
In general, I do not object to the apparently generalized belief about generalizations I see on this site, and in fact, I generally share it. Generalizations can be useful, especially when they are based on behavior that a majority of a population displays. Yes, JMFLYNNY, we women are more sensitive, more intuitive, and we're not as physically strong as men. We CAN'T do everything they do, and who the hell would want to? I personally like having doors opened for me and my chair pulled out to seat me, and all those wonderful masculine mannerisms that evolved over the years to cater to the "weaker sex," for example.
What I DO object to, however, is some bitter old fart making generalized observations about ALL women based on the actions of one bloodless cunt he unfortunately or stupidly married, and a couple of hysterics he had the misfortune to invite over to his house during a hurricane, and playing those demeaning generalized observations for laughs or whatever. Especially considering the fact that the VAST MAJORITY of us aren't like that. 'Course, as I also noted sometime before, this ain't my blog, and Acid's perfectly free to put up whatever he wants. As I am free not to read it and never to come back. I'm just tryin' to point out that he's fallen into some extremely lazy thought patterns and he might want to re-think them. Generalizations are not only useful, they're often spouted mindlessly in the place of real, original thought.
That's all I'm sayin'. Generally speakin', that is.
Amy--- bite my Cracker ass.
JMFLYNNY, You just described my mama's cornbread. And my wife's, too, since she learned if from mama. Come to think of it, it was originally my grandma's cornbread, because mama learned it from her. And so forth.
Ooooh....ouch. Truth hurts, don't it, Acidman? Surely an original thinker like yourself can come up with a comeback a little more...well...original. You really do have the vapors right now, don't you.
As to your comment--thank you, no. I got a whole family full of cracker ass to bite if I want to, and I don't need any strange.
Acidman -- pick a spot, you're all ass. (Sorry, couldn't resist, you walked right into that one.)
Geez MIke, you don't suppose your wife could offer up a recipe, do you? With my grandmother's passing, I seldom get the real stuff anywhere.
Also missing from the diet since her passing:
deep fried potato skins
peanut butter cake
Any of those recipes lying around?
Hey Alaska: wish I'd thought of that!
Amy -- yeah, that one comes in handy once in a while!
On cornbread: My momma (from MS) did it in a cast iron skillet, but in the oven. Is that OK?
On Polacks: Don't forget that the original solutions, and machines implementing them, of the German Enigma cyphers were done by some Polish folks who were so smart that it makes my brain hurt just to try and follow the executive summary of their work. They did it while drinking probably way too much, as well, I suspect.
Oh, and let's not forget Dr. Copernicus, or Marie Sklodowska, or General Sosabowski!
Talent, and brains, are where you find them. It's what's between the ears that's important, not the external appearance, though I do think we should be forgiven for sometimes acting like scientists, using inductive logic, y'know, and making associations between appearances, and experiences, and likely behavior.
You bake cornbread in the oven in a cast-iron skillet. Every Southerner knows that.
And I may be ALL ASS, but it's a nice 'un. Corn-fed, inbred and out there for anybody to take a lick at.
So... LICK IT!
Pull your own head out and move your shoulders out of the way, and it'd be my pleasure.
It would be the best ass-lickin' you ever had.
JMFLINNY, if you want a good Salmon Patty recipe, you let me know. I'll send you a good one. It's the one my mom has used for over 50 years, and you just can't beat it.
Thanks Mama, I'll take it.
Ms. Alaska Key was also kind enough to provide one.
I'd like to try both!
Excuse me...make that Alaska 'Kim'.