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September 03, 2004

health care

The topic of health care really pisses me off when I hear Democrats talk about it. I listened to Kerry speak last night, and I suffered a case of cognative dissonance. Is health care the same thing as medical insurance? Evidently it is, according to Kerry.

"44 million Americans go without health care today."

Is that a fact? I went to a hospital emergency room a few months ago and saw a big sign saying that the hospital COULD NOT deny care to a needy patient whether the patient had insurance or not. I don't see people dying in the streets for lack of health care. What I DO see is a lot of hyperventilation and vapors about a "crisis" that doesn't exist.

My company, where I worked for 24 years, canceled my health insurance the first chance it got to drop me. They said I was guilty of "non-payment," then refunded the last check I sent them. They did the same thing to Catfish, who worked there even longer than I did. I called to bitch about what they did, but gave up after getting the phone-menu runaround for almost an hour.

Fuck 'em. I don't have to take this shit. I bought a Blue Cross policy for less than half the price the company wanted me to pay for their insurance. It's not as good as the insurance I once had and the deductable is a LOT higher, but it protects me from catastrophic incidents such as car wrecks or heart attacks. That's all I need. It costs $150 per month, and that includes dental insurance, too.

Don't blow smoke up my ass about a health care crisis in America. We don't have one.

Comments

maybe if we could get the greedy trial lawyers like John Edwards, with their junk science and dumbass jurors off the doctor's backs, this shit wouldn't be so damned expensive.

Posted by: MarcL on September 3, 2004 10:12 AM

I've been in a ICU with my Dad for over three weeks now. He has a venalator in his mouth, feeding tube down his nose and is dieing a slow agonizing death from heart and lung disease. His care is excellent BUT there is a crisis in health care. I 've looked around me everyday and seen all sorts and groups of families gathering to watch over their loved ones. His medicare only pays 80 per cent and there's no way his wife will ever be able to pay off the rest in her lifetime. He had health insurance his whole life.
Now what about the families that can't afford 150 a month. The crisis is that if anything happens to an uninsured person, they would never be able to pay it off in their longer lifetime. Health crisis has nothing to do with being a Democrat. People are people. If I ever have any extra cash to give I will definitely give to St.Edwards in Ft. Smith Arkansas so they can help someone else and I don't really care whether they are Republicans or Democrats.
Rob NO ONE ever knows all the facts or the sources but I've never ever believed everything I read. MOSt I would guarantee fiction or propaganda. I'd rather live day by day peacefully without ridicule of any human being. I enjoy your peaceful side of writing but have to skip over your negative criticisms. They are vexations to my spirit.
You've had many women trying to be your friend and I admittingly at one time offered my friendship and prayers when you were very ill, but we were all insulted by youposting your nude shots of whores on your web page.I was shocked that you would do it knowing it would anger your son's Mother even more. How could your son be proud of that when you've had plenty of chances of meeting a nice woman.
I think most women would rather keep their personal intimacies between lovers and not thewhole world.I guess we're lucky you chose whores over women who can see through bullshit .Would your little Costa Rican girlie hung with you if you had been poor or would you have brought her home to meet your Momma?
I get tired of hearing condemnations from both parties and never tell who I vote for not because I'm afraid but just that I don't waste my energy on political things I can't control anyway.

Posted by: Lexia on September 3, 2004 10:27 AM

I have a neighbor that is a doctor in a local emergency room. He was telling me how he sees patients without health insurance come to them in Ambulances with symptoms of fever, runny noses, and coughs. I have two insurance plans and am 100% covered with the exception of $150.00 yearly deductible and wouldn't do that. He sees it everyday and it galls us both.

Posted by: Susie on September 3, 2004 10:28 AM

Lexia--- I don't see a damn thing wrong with sporting with a Costa Rican whore. I DID IT and I ENJOYED IT. I am a single man. YOU didn't like seeing Aila's ass?

Tough shit.

Posted by: Acidman on September 3, 2004 10:32 AM

Lexia, while I feel compelled to offer condolences on your father's condition, and well wishes for his recovery, I also feel compelled to point out that you have used his illness as a spring board to attacking Acidman on issues completely unrelated to either your father's illness, or the subject of the post.

As for the subject of the post...

As Rob correctly stated...there is healthcare available to everyone in this country. Hence...medicare and medicaid. Just as with taxes, the only people paying anything for healthcare are those who earn their money.

As for pictures of his 'whores'...how did you know that you wouldn't be assaulted by even more of those pictures when you opened his site today?

Posted by: jmflynny on September 3, 2004 10:42 AM

And that's why you're going to remain single. I've seen better asses and most definitely better tits.Don't complain about wishing someone would love you as much as you loved them. I'm just telling you that you'd be better off keeping your romps with whores to yourself if you EVER want a decent woman. It's obvious you don't. See you have no compassion. If you did you might have commented" I'm sorry you're watching your Dad die."What ever pumps you7r Roscoe?

Posted by: Lexia on September 3, 2004 10:45 AM

Decent Woman? What is the definition of a decent woman? As for watching your dad die, I am sorry. But almost all of us will have to do that some day. Dieing is part of the life cycle, but lawyers and Doctors have made it damn expensive. You think that is bad, wait until you see the bill from the funeral home.

Posted by: James Old Guy on September 3, 2004 10:50 AM

Lexia:

I was in your shoes 4 years ago with my father. Worst damn weeks of my life. I am so sorry to hear you are going through this; only those who have experienced this already will truly know the depth of your emotions right now. I do. And I feel for you. God bless.

I too have offered my support and friendship to Rob. But I lose a bit of respect everytime he makes his generalizations about women. His right to post his thoughts. My right to comment, at least until he deems me unfit and blocks me. Such is life.

Rob, you definitely are a writer. Your creativity and imagination inspire me. But would it do me a modicum of good to ask you to reconsider your seemingly total lack of regard for women in general? Nah, probably not. Don't let Jennifer represent the entire gender. We're not ALL like that, I guarantee you.

I notice a lot of your male commenters (thankfully, not ALL) have a similar lack of respect for us. I have trouble understanding that in intelligent men. I will probably get slammed for saying this with a lot of personal attacks, but I am a twice-divorced woman. My two exes had affairs. But I don't for a moment think ALL men are pigs. I am now married to a brilliant man who gives me 100% respect. Has for the past 8 years. We have a great thing going. I hope that you can find your happiness again, Acidman. I truly do.

Regards,
Kate


Posted by: Kate on September 3, 2004 11:08 AM

James....Good question? I guess the definition would depend upon your life experiences and yes I've experienced hospice 5 times in the last 2 years so I'm very aware of death and dying and expenses.
Jenny Fly....Attack Rob??? Poor Rob being attacked verbally? My IQ must have shot down a few quotients after that attack. Evidently , other woman who he might have insulted don't read the column anymore and I think I'm better off deleting his column too.I can find better nude shots of women ( if I choose to look at nude women) And by the way I am no PRUDE and enjoy sex just as much as any other woman. I just enjoy it privately and safely. As for my Dad, I'm proud that he raised me to be a decent woman, whatever the definition of that word might be. I would personally label it to be loyal and true blue to my loved ones and fuck the assholes who think their opinions are the only ones to be valued.To call something irrelevant is a cop out. Find some new vocabulary Jennyfly, you bore me too.

Posted by: Lexia on September 3, 2004 11:12 AM

Thanks Kate
I'm glad I caught that note before I deleted this column.
I've had a few choices with men lately and I haven't found the right one yet and I'm willing to wait until the right one comes along. I learned from my first marriage. He was a women basher and I can spot one immediately.
Thank God you had the courage to say God Bless
God Bless you too

Posted by: Lexia on September 3, 2004 11:19 AM

Good G-d Rob! Is this Lexia some woman you once slept with, or what?

'Look at me! Look at me! Feel sorry for me! By the way, Acidman...you stink! Oh, poor me! Whores! Oh, my poor dad! Again, whores! You stink! Oh poor me...'

Woman, pick an issue.

Furthermore, as you, and others, are obviously turned off by this site, remember, you have options.

Posted by: jmflynny on September 3, 2004 11:22 AM

Interesting, Kate has had two ex husbands who cheated on her. Wonder why? She now has a husband who is brilliant because he gives her 100% respect. I think I am seeing a pattern here. Lexia is no prude and actually enjoys sex, but it has to be in the dark and safe. Now I am really going to piss you off. All women are whores, it is just the price that is different.

Posted by: James Old Guy on September 3, 2004 11:22 AM

Whoa James!

That goes too far.

Posted by: jmflynny on September 3, 2004 11:26 AM

Oops...hit the send button too quickly. To finish...

Whoa James!

That goes too far, and it sounds as if you're allowing frustration to speak for you.

Please remember, you were born to a woman, and she to another, and so on.

I find it difficult to believe that any man would actually believe THAT generalization.

Posted by: jmflynny on September 3, 2004 11:45 AM

"Interesting, Kate has had two ex husbands who cheated on her. Wonder why? She now has a husband who is brilliant because he gives her 100% respect. I think I am seeing a pattern here."
James, thanks for not letting me down. I knew a personal attack would follow. You uphold my belief that there are always a few who have to berate. Your ignorant and hate-filled comment about all women being whores speaks volumes. Good day to you, sir.

Posted by: Kate on September 3, 2004 11:50 AM

I finally got mine back. They screwed up and had me fired the first time. The next time, they had my wife covered, but not me. The next time both of our insurance was and had expired? The last time, I was covered, but my was not. Now, we both have insurance, until the next time. I just retired, with a very bad back, I was with them for 29 and a half years. And you know me Rob, I never missed any time and always went to work, when they called me. Even went in off of a vacation, and did not get time and half for doing them a very big favor. Oliver, Lipps, stole it from me.

Posted by: Catfish on September 3, 2004 12:07 PM

I guess the definition of what is a whore would be the key. A woman who exchanges sexual favors for something of value, I believe would be a generally accepted definition. I would think a wedding ring would be something of value. A pledge of undieing love would fit that catagory. So I guess it depends if you think a whore is a bad thing.

Posted by: James Old Guy on September 3, 2004 12:08 PM

James: You are and "old guy". It used to be, back in the day, that men believe that women didn't enjoy sex and that they had to be bribed into doing it with gifts and promises of marriage. That idea has been gone a long time and now we hear a lot more about women who have to coax their husbands into the bedroom. It won't be long before those people in that generation are gone...

Susie: Are you gauled by the fact that people come into the emergency room with running noses and caughs? If so, how the hell do you expect these people to get treatment? You have full covereage medical insurance and all you have to pay is $150 a month? Does your employer pay that? Do you have any idea how much that kind of coverage costs?

The emergency room cannot turn a patient away, but they have to get into the emergency room first.

I'll be back with more about "lawyers" raising the costs of healthcare.

Posted by: Mannaz on September 3, 2004 12:28 PM

Yes, I see that the topic is health care v insurance; and I'm going to deviate from the topic as others have above me.
I think Rob is an excellent writer and more than apt at putting his feelings into words, and I don't want him or those who think like him for enemies.
So as gently as I can say this, Rob has chronicled his many sexual exploits and, by his own admission, how most of the women involved have been dumped or left behind. What he is blind to is that Jennifer just did to him what he had done to many before her. Biblically, it's "reaping what you sow", but for God haters, it's "what goes around comes around."
Sadly, Rob hasn't learned anything, but continues to degrade women at every opportunity.
No, I'm not gloating FOR Jennifer's sake - anyone who would use a kid as a pawn against another parent sickens me. But it looks like more "what goes around" in his future. I think it's a waste.
God bless you in your days ahead, Lexia.

Posted by: RubyTuesday on September 3, 2004 02:10 PM

45-million Americans, most of them children of single mothers, working poor, unemployed and disabled.

In America, no job-no health insurance.

Only first world country in the world with such inadequate health care.

Those on Medicaid--tax payer paid health insurance are 70% women and children. Again, no job, no insurance. Only in America. YOU get to pay through YOUR taxes for health care for millions and millions of low income, children, disabled, etc.

Think about it.

Then, swallow your preconceived and outmoded ideas about 'socialized medicine' and get behind some kind of universal health care system for Americans. Isn't it time we lived like the richest, most powerful nation in the world?

Posted by: Beth on September 3, 2004 02:35 PM

You are the brainwashed tool of the capitalist pig if you believe this crap Acidman. And, we both know you ain't that at all.

So knock the shit off your boots and get a clue.

Folks around me can go to Canada to buy RXs. They pay about 1/3 what is costs in local pharmacies.

The Bush administration wants to make this illegal.
Why? They say because the RXssold in Canada are not safe. Huh? They're made by the same pharmaseutical companies, sold all over the world with no problems. But for Americans their unsafe? You buy that crap Acidman?

Rise up and smell the coffee.

p.s. and think about changing your comment filter.
I had to change 'xxx' to RXs to get this comment to go through.

Posted by: Colette on September 3, 2004 02:45 PM

WOW this is unreal.. I travel the world working in hospitals and there is NO country in the world I would chose over the US to be treated in. I pay $900 a year for a policy that will FLY me to the US for expensive treatment over the crap that I would get in Germany, the UK, France or Canada. If Canada did not have the saftey valve of the US (most with money come down here to be treated) the system would have imploded long ago. If you want quality meds you need to make it worth the time of the companies to make them. They are not in the business to feel good about themselves (no matter what the ads say) they are in it to INCREASE SHAREHOLDER VALUE. If they can't get a price that makes it worth there time they will make somthng else. If you want the best quality health care in the world hate to break it to you but you have to pay for it.

Posted by: dbltap on September 3, 2004 03:02 PM

The problem with people coming into the emergency room in an ambulance with the sniffles is one or more of the following.

a) They have medicaid, but can't be bothered waiting till tomorrow moring to see their regular doctor (who will just send them home anyway).

b) They often could have had someone else bring them in. If they are in the ambulance, your grandfather who is having a massive MI isn't. Who needs EMTs with them more?(And the cost per run for an ambulance isn't peanuts.)

c) I'm sure someone can come up with at least one more.

Kerry had never mentioned 45 million lacking health care before. His talking points have always been about insurance. If an uninsured person breaks their leg, they WILL get treatment. If Edwards and others in his branch of the legal profession get their way, I may have wonderful health insurance, but I won't have any health care because all the medical providers will have been driven out of business.

I lived in Ireland for 8 years and have dealt with a national health system. It sucked. An unidentified growth on the back of my wrist which needed to be removed? 1 year wait for the clinic to use cryo. We eventually gave up and used a local anesthetic and a scalpel. I had to have the procedure repeated after I got back to this country. ALL of my dental work from Ireland has had to be replaced/ repaired. If you don't have private insurance, there is only one available codeine cough syrup, to which I am vilely allergic. But no exceptions will be made, even in that sort of situation. If it isn't on their limited formulary, you will NOT get it.
10% to 20% of all acute appendectomies get post op abscesses. 30% of all unplanned C-sections develop infections of the surgical site. 30%. Irish doctors and nurses are wonderful, but the money and time isn't there to prevent this sort of thing.

Lancet just had a report this past year from a British cardiologist who lost a 52yo patient on the table putting in a stent. In the 6 month delay between the angiogram and the stent procedure his other arteries had blocked, during the stent placement there is no blood flow through the vessel being stented, and so he died. In this country the wait between imaging study and stent is never more than a week. If this poor man had been stented at the time of the angiogram, he would be alive today, and his daughter would still have a father.

So, you really want socialized medicine? I don't, and few people who have actually been ill under a socialized medicine program want it either. Those who extol socialized medicine's virtues usually don't know any other system (or they have enough money that they themselves don't have to use it).

Posted by: LibraryGryffon on September 3, 2004 04:18 PM

Hey, watch it Mr. Lion...she'll send you personal email if you disagree with her.

Posted by: jmflynny on September 3, 2004 04:20 PM

"Working people lose their jobs all the time through no fault of their own."

No argument. I have a hard time understanding exactly what your point is, however. Is there some cosmic force preventing people who lose their jobs from finding other jobs? Are there insurance company troops surrounding Hartford, CT with signs that read: ONLY THE GAINFULLY EMPLOYED NEED APPLY?

"Assholes like you who lack the empathy to understand what this means are what's wrong with America."

Well, maybe if fucking morons such as yourself would take the time to comprise a cogent argument that includes more depth than: "People lose jobs! Bad!", maybe Assholes like me will have a goddam clue what you're talking about.

This will of course require both effort and coherence on your part, however, so I understand the difficulty you're having with such a task.

"Why should business have to provide health care for American citizens. "

They don't. Dust off your dictionary and look up the term "benefit".

"Fascist asshole!"

Uh-huh. Fuck you very much, dear.

Posted by: Mr. Lion on September 3, 2004 05:24 PM

Uh-huh...you've done it now, Mr. Lion.

Posted by: jmflynny on September 3, 2004 05:41 PM

Hey! I agree with the Lion. Beth is a leftist shit-brain. I lost my fucking JOB, but I still have health insurance.

Government didn't give it to me, either.

Posted by: Acidman on September 3, 2004 06:52 PM

Rob, you didn't lose you job, you were fired. If you still have health insurance paid for my your former employer who have something very rare and not available to most workers laid off from jobs through no fault of their own.

Call health insurance a benefit, or call it applesauce, it's still paid for by business owners.

These days the time needed to find new jobs gets longer and longer. What does a family do for health care between jobs? Emergency room care costs the same whether the patient is insured or not. Who do you think ends up paying for the uninsured?
That's right. WE do.

Now, if you have trouble understanding these arguments, I think perhaps the moron is you. It's really not that hard. Try turning off Limbaugh and read a fucking book! Chump!

Posted by: Beth on September 3, 2004 07:10 PM

Interesting...this is what I just received at my personal email address. Would anyone care to take a shot at guessing who sent it?

And geez...Rob, I guess she's figured it out. I thought we could keep our interludes a secret...what with my only recently visiting your site...but she's just too clever for us.

Hell! I'm actually a little excited now. I thought I'd lost my knack.

Keep in mind...the language that follows is her's, not mine...


"Listen bitch, if you want email, I'll send you email
you skanky dumb cunt. But you have to promise to get
somebody to explain it to you so they can also help
you craft and intelligent reply.

You post comments on Acidman's site so often I'm being
to think maybe you're fucking him on the side. Why
don't you get a job, or volunteer somewhere if you
have so much extra time on your hands.

It must really suck being you if all you have to do is
to comment on every other comment that comes up on
Gutrumbles.

And you're so excited and thrilled to have gotten an
email from me that you keep reminding Gutrumbes
readers about it. I'm flattered, but really, it was
no big thing.

I try to get the stupid people in America the
information they need to make live worth living.

Maybe it's too late for you though.

Be nice, or get lost"


So much for her feigned attempts at civility.

Posted by: jmflynny on September 3, 2004 07:42 PM

I don't think the government should pay for our insurance, but something needs to be done with the insurance companies gorging our pockets and the crock Physicians who order bogus or unneccessary procedures to get that money. i have one of those 150 dollar policys, didn't use it last year, they raised the premium to 164 dollars. Then I had to get a crown, the insurance paid 200.00 on 720.00 bill. The next month, I get a letter saying they are raising my premium 50.00 a month. There is alot of fine print saying what is covered and what is not, what goes toward the deductable and what does not, so if I did go into the hospital, I would probably go bankrupt even with my catastrophic insurance plan. The insurance company is not going to let you make a profit off of them. I am dropping my plan, maybe I will look into blue choice. But I am afraid it is the same, pay in big time, payout zilch.

Posted by: Galestorm on September 3, 2004 11:45 PM

"The insurance company is not going to let you make a profit off of them."

Lemme see if I understand the Big, Bad Corporation theory. Insurance companies are blood-sucking vampires who take in enormous amounts of premiums and never pay any medical costs. They should exist for us poor little individuals to make a profit off of them?

Health insurance is the least profitable of all insurance lines. The reasons are many, some of which have been brought up here.

How long do you think an insurance company could stay in business if it didn't make a profit? Would you prefer that your insurance company made a profit or not?

Posted by: Larry on September 4, 2004 12:22 AM

I said, they are not going to let you make a profit off of them. That means you are paying out money every month, and if you do get sick, they are more than likely not going to pay for anything more then you paid in, and you still are going to have to pay the hospital payments for the rest of your life, or file bankrupt. It is getting out of hand, or I should say is out of hand. You need a 800 dollar a month or more policy to get good coverage, being self employed. Why not just make that payment to the doctors when I get sick?

Posted by: Galestorm on September 4, 2004 12:40 AM

Beth, you dickweed. My former employer DID cancel my health insurance. Can't you fucking READ???

I bought my own policy.

Posted by: Acidman on September 4, 2004 08:06 PM

I haven't had health insurance for 5 years, since I went back to self-employment.

Why?

Because the cheapest meaningful coverage I can get costs $600 month.

Acidman, care to share where you're buying adequate health insurance for $150/month? Cause I'd sure be interested.

Posted by: Pascale Soleil on September 4, 2004 11:42 PM
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