December 27, 2003
use your head
Go check the comments on this post below. I like this woman, but I respectfully submit that she is full of shit in everything she has to say.
My father died of prostate cancer, and I was diagnosed with the disease myself at the age of 49. We both worked at the same chemical plant. Put two and two together. Obviously, the chemicals we handled gave us cancer.
Okay, that's a common denominator. Does it prove causation? If so, why doesn't everybody at the fucking plant develop prostate cancer? It should be rampant among the ranks, but it's not. My friend Steve Hamby died of prostate cancer and he never set foot in that plant.
I believe that I had a hereditary disposition to develop that disease. My father set a record on the Smith side of the family by living for 62 years. Every other male as far back as anyone can remember died young, usually from violence or some sickness that a good shot of antibiotics could cure today. Who knows how many of my relatives would have developed prostate cancer? They didn't live long enough to serve for a good study.
I am well aware that certain substances cause cancer when you are exposed to them in heavy doses over a long period of time. Asbestosis is a good example. So is lung cancer from smoking cigarettes. My grandfather worked 40 years in the coal mines and developed Black Lung. That happens when you inhale coal dust for 40 years (my grandfather also lived to be 89 years old, and died of congestive heart failure, not Black Lung).
We are becoming a nation of frightened, uneducated, whining pussies today because we don't understand cause and effect anymore. Our bodies are MADE OF CHEMICALS and we require chemicals to survive. What the hell do you think a VITAMIN IS, anyway? What do you think happens in your belly when you eat food? Digestion is a CHEMICAL REACTION.
Got-dam! I've read enough about "cancer clusters" to know that no one has EVER proved a direct cause and effect, and shitheads such as Erin Brockovitch damn sure don't help the situation. We are a gullible, easily-fooled people. We have charlatins, junk-scientists and totally ignorant reporters spoon-feeding us unmitigated bullshit every day, and a lot of people SWALLOW IT.
You know what's going to kill you? Life will. You can eat all the organic food your little heart desires, and pass anti-smoking ordinances until the cows come home, ban every pesticide known to mankind and worship at the grave of Rachel Carson like some mad Druid priest. You know what's going to happen in the end? You die anyway.
Be an environmentalist if it makes you happy. You ain't going to save the planet. You ain't going to be anything but a gigantic pain in the butt to others who want to live free. But, go ahead. You have the right to be a complete asshole in this country. Of course, you need to understand that if you have your way, those rights will disappear for people who disagree with you..
I find that idea more toxic than any chemical I ever saw.
There were once large animals running around the land that we call dinosaurs. There were even more forms of live in the ocean.
Then one day a large meteor or comet crashed into what would become the Yucatan peninsula generating a dust cloud that circled the earth and lasted for months.
Most of the life on this planet was wiped out.
Today there are probably *more* forms of live on this planet than ever before.
There are numerous forms of life living in water at the boiling point, with no oxygen and no light at the bottom of the ocean that we didn't even know about until late in the 20th century.
The polar ice caps were supposed to have melted by now, but they are getting thicker. There should be no clean water now and yet we have constant floods deep inland. We should be on rationed food and yet we have more food than at any point in mankind's history (to the point that being overweight is now a chronic illness).
If anything this planet or the universe will kill US first.
It's all about balance... While I agree that there are some things we shouldn't let happen (like leaking MTBE into the groundwater that people drink), we also can't prevent nature from eroding hillsides and depositing silt in streambeds. Here in sunny San Diego, allowing your hillside to erode is a crime punishable by fines of $10,000 a DAY!
If the environazis had there way, it'd be the Grand Gully instead of the Grand Canyon!
I think it's great that they're fireproofing tits now.
I think you missed my point, Acidman. I'm not saying that chemicals are bad, and I'm not saying that chemicals cause cancer......obviously that study hasn't proved causation. It even says that in the article you linked to. What I'm saying is, I think the RESEARCH is a good thing. I think it's amazing that we can measure things in parts per billion in the human body. Cancer and disease start out as microscopic things too.
Maybe someday through this kind of research they will actually figure something out. I'm not saying ban every chemical and become an environmentalist. I'm just saying don't be against the research.
A side issue, Acidman, but please keep your numbers straight. Those numbers you refer to are trillion, not billion. Billion has 9 zeros, trillion, 12.
Now if you were an elected representative, to whom 'billion' just doesn't mean the same thing it used to, this mistake would be forgiveable.
MTBE was put there thanks to the whining of the eco-tards. Ironic, no?
As for chemicals causing cancer, yeah, some will if you bathe in the shit for years. The toluene I use to mix race fuel for my car will do naughty things if I drink a gallon of it or wash my hands in it for a few years. But I don't, so chances are it's going to have a marginal, or as is much more likely, a zero-effect on me.
My grandfather owned a fruit orchard and mixed straight bags of DDT into sprayers with his BARE HANDS for many, many years. He lived well into his 90's and died of natural causes. Carcinogen my ass.
Daniel, I believe that a billion is one thousand million. That would be 1,000,000,000. How do you get a trillion out of that?
The data include picograms. A picogram is one trillionth of a gram. It's the rough equivalent of a butterfly fart in a hurricane.
Acidman, When I looked at your post the other day, I saw 12 zeros after the 1 for the "billion" and 12 zeros before the 1 for the "one part per billion" (which traditionally is written with a decimal point before the first of the eight zeros, Mr. English Major). Now I see nine zeros after the 1 for the "billion". Either I was blind or you have revised it and are trying, unsuccessfully, to bluff. Next time you revise it, don't forget to revise the 0.000,000,000,003 as well. Unless you're trying to represent 3 picograms. Which, of course, will kill us all, probably before you revise it.
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