September 16, 2004
poll taxes and literacy tests
Here I go again, boldly going where no man should go today. I submit that some people are TOO FUCKING STUPID TO VOTE and they shouldn't be allowed to. If they can't read the goddam ballot IN FUCKING ENGLISH, what business do these people have electing a President of the United States? They obviously don't have a clue. Is THAT the kind of person you want electing a President?
The Democrats do, which is why they picked John Fonda Kerry as their candidate. They are depending on the Clueless Vote to carry them over the top to victory. If not the clueless, they'll resort to the demented. And they are the ones bitching about "disenfranchisement."
I think you ought to care enough about voting to pay for it. $10.00 a head sounds fair to me. People pay a lot more than that to get into Disney World to see some faggot in a mouse costume. If you ain't willing to pay $10.00 to make your voice heard in the voting booth to elect THE PRESIDENT, you don't give a shit about voting anyway. Stay the fuck home where you belong.
I believe that only literate people should vote. If you can't read, your opinion doesn't count. You aren't QUALIFIED to elect a President. Stay the fuck home where you belong.
And I believe you should KNOW why you're voting for a candidate, other than the fact that he has nice hair or a nice smile. Before you can vote, somebody should ask, "What three issues most concern you about the future of this country?" If you can't name three, you don't vote. And if you mention Britany Spears, the Olsen Twins or Jennifer Lopez, you don't vote. Stay the fuck home where you belong.
I know that I sound harsh, but Bejus, People!!! Why should cretins who don't know what's going on around them elect the leaders who govern thinking people?
Christ Rob.. don't hold back!
Actually I agree to a point. Although I am of the opinion that only people who pay taxes should be able to vote, engrush speakin or otherwise. If they are making their own way in the world, without my charity, then they deserve to have their say. even if it is in Esporanza!
Why should those who don't contribute to society, who only seem to be on the recieving end of the Govt's largresse , courtesy of the tax payer, have any say about who should manage that money, which effectively is all that a government is... a big nanny, dishin out the dosh as it sees fit.
That's my 5 cents worth anyway.
Hell, the first time I registered to vote, I didn't even get a chance to declare a party. The voter registration card had three blocks on it, Democrat, Republican, and Other. The Democrat block had a pre-printed check mark in it. So, like everyone else in that rural Louisiana parish, I had regisered as a Democrat.
We did have a literacy requirement, and before you could register to vote, you had to read the words on a card (Amendment 1, US Constitution) and explain the same to the registrar. If you couldn't read the page, you didn't register.
Registering to vote was a big deal, because you had to go to the Courthouse. On my eighteenth birthday, my Dad took off work and we went to the Courthouse, we went to the Post Office so I could register for the draft, and we went by a bar to get a drink.
Not a bad way to spend the day with the old man. I got a good lesson in civics that day. If you wanted to vote you had a responsibility to register for the draft, and as a result, you were welcomed in the town tavern.
Not to mention those pesky things no one has a right to vote upon--our rights.
I like some of these ideas!
In Australia we have compulsary voting. That is, if you don't vote you get a fine or even gaol time!
I think being literate and a tax-payer should be the qualifications to vote.
No one should be forced to vote.
When they are forced they'll just do a donkey vote or vote for the party that they "always vote for" or that "their parents vote for so I do too"
I'm all for capitalism, but paying to vote just seems like a bad idea to me...
I think it's a great idea. And I'll go one further: The guys who win should get to split the money. Kind of like dog racing.
That way, everybody would vote. Everybody likes dog racing, except PETA scumbags, and they shouldn't vote, anyway.
My favorite literacy test was in Texas, circa 1957: how many bubbles are there in a bar of soap?
All's I know is, I'm sick to death of having to choose between the lesser of evils.
Or we can always go the route in the movie version of Starship Troupers and let only people who've served their country be allowed to vote. ; p
$10 a head?
But what about the disenfranchised who don't have a job and 'subsist' on gubmint funds? $10 is a lot of money if you have a habit, and secondly 3 kids, to feed.
Your racist and classist views mimic reality.
My grandfather was a German immigrant. He came here with less than $20 in his pocket and eventually built the Majestic fleet out of Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn. He wound up with three large party boats and employed some 100 people. He paid his taxes, took care of his employees and eventually went into semi-retirement in Orlando where he captained one of the Disney tour/ride boats until his death in 1992.
The man could not read a word of English. He was poorly educated and dyslexic, it was all he could do to read German. He was only able to obtain his captains license after a landmark court case allowing him to take it in his native language.
He lived in this country for forty years. They named a street after him and to this day there are people lobbying to name a school after him. Your telling me he shouldn't have been allowed to vote because of some arbitrary quiz?
We're all (well, most of us) descended from immigrants of one stripe or another and it's been my expierience that often the first generation cares more, works harder and is more deserving than their spawn. It would be foolish to disenfranchise these people, they are the best this country has to offer, even if they don't read very well.
The best idea I have heard is that anyone who receives a handout from the government becomes ineligible to vote.
That'll put a stop to pandering politicians and porkbarrel projects in a fast hurry! Not to mention being a quick way to weed out the non-productive.
(yeas yeas I know! That'd eliminate about 75% of the adult population. Good! Let 'em choose between voting or getting handouts. The smart, capable ones will quickly drop the goodies, since the politicians otherwise would no longer need to listen to them. And the lazy, dependent sorts will soon find their gravy train drying up, since the politicians no longer need to listen to them. The only ones who get to participate are those with their shoulder to the wheel. And if they stumble and need a hand, they have a strong incentive to get back on their feet at the earliest opportunity.)
Ten bucks to vote is somehow medieval?
Try this on for size. I just got a job in San Diego which requires a security clearance. Part of the Uncle Sam proctology exam is to go down to the local police station and have them fingerprint you.
My company (or anybody who arrives un-handcuffed) have to pay to be fingerprinted. $25 if memory serves. The crooks don't pay a dime.
Jebus, if anybody started assessing "processing fees" on anybody other than the productive, their would be an ACLU riot.
You channelling the other Rob (Heinlein) or what?
Myself, I like his quadratic equation test in order to vote. With the Acme Disintegrator Beam if you can't manage that. Even I can re-memorize the Quadratic Formula for long enough to vote, and avoid the Death Zap.
My view, english is the unofficial language of the United States, wish it was official but that is another story. If you can't read or write english, you have no buisness voting. If you have served your country in the armed forces , you have a right to vote, and you never have to re- register. I think opposite of Rob on the paying issue, I think if you show up and vote the government should give you $10.00. Last but not least, women are not allowed to vote.
There will never be serious vote reform in this country. The left needs the stupid and poor and the right needs trickery to counteract the left's vote sleaziness. Jeff Jacoby had a good column about this in yesterday's Boston Globe.
John Derbyshire over at NRO once said that if you were a government employee of any sort, you shouldn't have the right to vote, as you were always going to throw your vote to whomever would keep the Federal cuttlefish fed.
Personally, I've always thought we should return to the Founders' qualification - property. If you don't own a house or land, you can't vote.
In the 1960's in the South, the Democrats in power decided that not enough people who depend on government were voting, so they went out in vans to all the housing projects and registered them. When I reached voting age, I didn't wait or hold my breath for the federal registrars to come by my house (which they never would have done.) Instead, I went with pride to the courthouse and took the time and steps to register, and I considered it an honor.
I don't agree with the poll tax, as voting is a right and not a purchased privilege. However, I do believe that the person voting should be able to demonstrate that they are capable of learning about candidates and making an informed vote. If they cannot, then they are no different than people suffering from dementia or Alzheimers, and they should be considered mentally incompetent for voting.
The logic herein gets MY vote!
Here is another great piece on the same subject if anyone wants to check it out.
Acidman, I think you'll enjoy reading this one: