Gut Rumbles

January 23, 2006

wow, indeed

I see a lot of bloggers writing "WOW!" posts about this new weapon. I'll admit that a fully-automatic 12-gauge shotgun that holds 8 to 20 rounds sounds pretty damned impressive. I just wonder how many people have enough ass to hold on to that thing when firing 20 rounds on full auto.

But that's just a minor quibble. I am certain that someone can fire 20 rounds on full auto without the recoil laying him flat on his back and sending the last few shots straight up into the sky. I'm not certain that I could do it, but somebody surely can.

I'll tell you what REALLY impresses me about this weapon. Forget the fact that it supposedly will fire a "FRAG-12 HE projectile...designed to punch a one-inch diameter hole through 1/4-inch cold rolled steel plate, have a maximum effective range of 200 meters (200m)." That's pretty damned good for a shotgun.

But THIS is even better:

This updated/product-improved AA-12 shotgun is reportedly combat-reliable under adverse conditions, built like a tank (so it's highly rugged, or "ruggedized"), and, according to MPS, Inc. company officials, requires zero cleaning or lubrication (that's right, none) (emphasis mine). DefenseReview would think that eventually the guns would have to be cleaned at some point, but none of the AA-12 prototypes have required it, yet (and we're talking about many thousands of rounds fired through all of the prototypes, so far)---

Show me ANY gun that never needs cleaning and I will hug and kiss the inventor. Some people may enjoy the ritual of disassembling a firearm, cleaning it and then putting it back together, but I don't. In fact, right now, I have a friend of mine has a .22 semi-auto target pistol in pieces on his kitchen table because he can't get the bolt to fit back into the receiver properly. (I think he fucked something up while cleaning it and is going to have to take it to Mack's Gun Shop to un-fuck whatever it was that he did.)

I'm not going to pass any judgment on the Auto Assault 12 (AA12) Combat Shotgun because I've never even SEEN one, let alone fired it. But if it's a gun I never have to clean...



According to the article that I linked it has virually no recoil! I posted a picture of a kid blasting away with it and the muzzle was not jumping up.

I concur with the "no cleaning" bit. This is amazing and maybe the same technology can be appied in building a "clean free rifle" that will actully perform after a few thousand rounds without jamming.

Posted by: GUYK on January 23, 2006 10:30 AM

.. that .22 a Ruger?... it's really hard to get the upper receiver to slide fully back on if you are inexperienced... tell him to read the manual...

Posted by: Eric on January 23, 2006 10:57 AM

Sounds great....especially so many idiots out there (even cops) have shot themselves during cleaning...thank God my husband does it for THIS IDIOT!

Posted by: Maggie on January 23, 2006 11:19 AM

No cleaning? I'll believe that when I see it.

Hell, my ass needs cleaning, and I only shoot that off once or twice a day.

But an automatic shotgun? Gotta have some residue from the charges, no?

Posted by: Elisson on January 23, 2006 11:20 AM

that .22 a Ruger?... I saw that pistol and I think the friend fucked it up when he took it apart but then again I am no gun smith. I am curious as to why the bolt will not slide back in unless it is the spring clamp screwed.

Posted by: GUYK on January 23, 2006 11:42 AM

I've seen demos of full-auto shotguns, and if you ain't 300 lbs with a death wish, you won't be shooting it.

I'd want to see video.

Posted by: bjbarron on January 23, 2006 11:59 AM

If this friends .22 target pistol is a Ruger MkII then have a look at this URL:

These Rugers have a reputation for "challenging" reassembly.

Posted by: David Avera on January 23, 2006 02:59 PM

"...fires 300 rpm..." that's 5 rounds/second!

Of 12 ga ammo.

Then again the sucker weighs ten pounds empty, so...

Posted by: Desert Cat on January 23, 2006 03:28 PM

The AA-12 has several goodies to reduce recoil, from everything I've read it's a pussycat. Not like the USAS-12, which kicks like a mule on full auto.

I'll take two. Of each.

Posted by: Mr. Lion on January 23, 2006 06:42 PM

Yep. That's a damn fine weapon. I'd be willing to bet that I could hold it fairly steady for 20 rounds. I'd start out with 20 rounds of 00 Buckshot. If that went okay, I'd have to try it with 20 rounds of 1oz. rifled slugs. I'm sure I'd need some pain killers afterward but it would damn sure be fun.

Posted by: assrot on January 23, 2006 07:20 PM

...when does the civilian version come out?

Posted by: Desert Cat on January 23, 2006 10:23 PM

Guns don't need cleaning like cars don't need oil changes.

Everything's fine until it locks up tighter than my butt in a gay bar.

Posted by: Justin Buist on January 23, 2006 10:54 PM

Ditto Justin.

Posted by: Florida Bill on January 24, 2006 08:34 AM

I'll believe the "zero cleaning or lubrication" when I hear it from someone besides company officials. Unless they completely reengineered the concept of "gun", there's still moving parts, metal-on-metal movement, propellant residue, etc.

But if they manage it, HELLS YEAH.

Posted by: disconnect on January 24, 2006 11:23 AM

Okay, now that I actually READ the article, I noticed this:

"The intenal components and parts are all black as a coal mine from carbon build-up when you open the guns up, because no one's touched them [cleaned or lubed them], but the guns just keep running." They reach a stabilization point where the carbon kind of seeks its own level of build-up until you have a thin layer of carbon buid-up on all the parts, and that provides enough lubrication for the gun to run. We've never applied any lubrication of any type to any of the guns. And, the real breakthrough is that we don't have any plastic fouling from the shotgun rounds building up in the gun, either. That's just one of the tricks of the trade," Cates went on to say.

So, allow me to change the previous to a hearty "OKAY MAYBE THEY GOT SOMETHING THERE".

Posted by: disconnect on January 24, 2006 11:26 AM

I'll bet that sidearn is a Ruger Mark II. Took me forever to figure out how to get mine back together.

Posted by: Tennessee Budd on January 24, 2006 01:18 PM

The "next to zero cleaning" concept isn't exactly new. If you make a gun with loose tolerances and a blowback (versus gas) action, it'll run for quite a while with little or no cleaning. See also: Everything made by Kalashnikov.

Posted by: Mr. Lion on January 24, 2006 05:03 PM

There's a kind of dry lube that can be permanently applied to a firearm. You still have to clean it occasionally, but with the dry coating it's less of a problem, and the bore picks up less jacket- or with a shotgun plastic wad- fouling.

I can see doing this in an endurance test, but as a regular thing you'd HAVE to clean the crud out occasionally.

I think someone beat me to it, but if it's a Ruger .22 pistol, you have to have the hammer in the dropped position, and then hold things so that the hammer strut fits into the top of the mainspring follower when you push the housing back into the grip.

Posted by: Mark on January 24, 2006 09:56 PM
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