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November 21, 2003

mj, part II

More on Michael Jackson.

Several times here in the Crackerbox, Quinton, Jack and I have watched a movie in my bed and we all three fell asleep before it was finished. I woke up more than once with two young boys in my bed. Is THAT perverted, or what?

I usually woke up because the two little shits toss and turn and kick all night, which makes sleeping impossible. I usually ended up on the couch while I allowed them to mug each other in their sleep. Bejus! Fall asleep watching The Lion King and wake up in the middle of the night with one little boy's foot in your face and another one kicking your ass.

That experience didn't make me horny. It drove me to go sleep on the couch.

Sometimes, Quinton has bad dreams and he'll crawl as silently as he can into bed with me. I always hear him coming, so I roll over and put my arms around him. He is no longer afraid when I do that. He knows that he's safe with me. I keep the boogie-man away. He sees me as a PROTECTOR, not a molester.

I don't know about Michael Jackson, but I am guilty as sin of sleeping with young boys. I've done it many a time and I may do it again this weekend. I'm not as crazy as he is, but maybe.... just MAYBE... he does it for the same reason I do.

It makes them feel comfortable.

Comments

You knew your attackers beforehand. 8 )

Mike invites strangers children over for sleepovers. Come see my Llama. Sleep in my bed.

Posted by: Symph on November 21, 2003 02:20 PM

Acidman, I am torn. I know where your coming from but, I don't think you can compare falling asleep on the bed with your son, to what Michael does.
Let me ask you this. Would you EVER seek comfort from a child you had met only a few weeks before? Would you ever sleep in the bed with a boy who was not your son? Michael has a son just like you do. If comfort is what he's seeking why not sleep with his own children. If indeed it's all sweet and innocent, then why the children of strangers? Why does he feel obligated to pay these childrens parents? Something is wrong here. Very very wrong.

Posted by: wanda on November 21, 2003 02:27 PM

I was on board with reserving judgement, and I still am, I guess. But, I just went to the smoking gun.com site and read the 1993 affadavit. Ugh! I know it's not an indictment or proof of guilt, and it's obviously crafted by a lawyer, and not by a 12 year old boy. Still....yeeesh.

Posted by: JoA on November 21, 2003 02:29 PM

The whole thing is disturbing. He claims to be an easy target, but yet he puts himself out there to be attacked. Did you see the video of his bedroom? Wait until all of the allegations come out in the press.

He does deserve a fair trial, although I highly doubt he will get one.

Posted by: Anna on November 21, 2003 02:37 PM

When you start gathering up boys from all across the country to sleep in your bed with you, then there's a problem.

Posted by: Juliette on November 21, 2003 02:49 PM

I read today that the child has cancer and is in the middle of a messy divorce/custody battle. This could all be about the kid acting out because he needs some kind of attention, or it could be about one of the parents acting out. It's all very tragic. Of course, Michael is such an easy target.....people already think he's strange, so they might as well think he's a perv too. People love to dig the dirt. And what better way to call attention to yourself than to make accusations like this. Oy.

Posted by: DogsDon'tPurr on November 21, 2003 03:14 PM

Most probably it started out innocently enough, as Micahael probably never got any real love and comfort from his parents, who were too busy making sure he made lots of money for them. Given the tightness with which his handlers ran his life for so long, by the time he got to where he could run things himself, his ideas about how to live were so warped and driven by underlying problems that there was no-one able to tell him he was going wrong...very badly wrong...and convince him to change.

By then he had learned that gobs of money will buy an awful lot of ANYTHING.

Posted by: MommaBear on November 21, 2003 03:47 PM

I agree totally with Acidman on this one. Yeah, he's a freak, and he does bizarre things, including sleeping in his bed with children not his own, but that just makes him stupid, it doesn't automatically make him a pedophile. If he is guilty, I hope he gets punished and goes to jail like any other sick MFer that dares touch a kid, but I don't think it's right to convict him until he is given a fair trial. Or at least as fair a trial as he'll be able to get.

Posted by: JaxVenus on November 21, 2003 03:48 PM

I'm with Juliette.

Guilty or innocent, you CAN NOT compare your actions with his.

Whatever HIS motives, they were self-serving; of that, I have no doubt.

Posted by: Key on November 21, 2003 04:40 PM

That takes extreme, no, wait, EXTREME guts to publish what you did. No judgment, just a confusion of "Way to go, dad!" and "Are you freakin' nuts?"

Think about it. What if the EX wanted to permanantly sever your connection to Quinton? Some lawyer could take what you published to the world and use it to deny Quinton his father, forever. Not good, Acidman.

Don't get me wrong. I think it is wonderful for a son to feel completely safe getting innocent affection from his father, or any other male. As long as it is not sexual.

But to broadcast your actions is damned risky. However, your apparent honesty makes me likely to be the kind of guy who would stand armed and ready to kill the first SOB who tried to take your son away from you.

Let's hope nothing bad comes of this. You've been through enough.

Posted by: Commander Will on November 21, 2003 04:43 PM

Interesting movie choice.

*cough*

Posted by: Mr. Lion on November 21, 2003 04:59 PM

During one of those hourlong 'expose' specials a detective said they discovered proximity alarms rigged in the halls leading to Jackson's bedroom, to alert him if people were approaching. That's a strong indicator he's probably guilty. I don't think he'd ever physically hurt a child, tho the other stuff he allegedly did is illegal & unacceptable.

Posted by: Horse with no-- on November 21, 2003 06:10 PM

My older son was molested by my Mother's second husband. I always had an uncanny repulsive feeling around him that I couldn't explain.He is no longer around and it's a good thing I didn't find out until after the fact or I would be in the pen. Thankfully I moved away from him before he could do it repeatedly but just one time has scared my son and me for life. He held it in til he was 19. I thought I would die. It's the most horrible feeling in the world. I also believe in Innocent Til Proven Guilty but Michael seems to flaunt his wierdness. Yes I think falling asleep with your kids watching TV is very normal but not the way Michael has acted.I believe he will get a fair trial and if he is guilty he needs to get life.If he's innocent, let him write another song to pay his attorney fees.. My son loved his music.They would certainly dismiss me from a jury pool.

Posted by: Lexia on November 21, 2003 06:44 PM

I sleep with my daughter just about every night. I have since birth. It made the breast feeding that much easier. She got into the habit of having me around even though she sleeps in her own bed - I just lay down with her until she falls asleep. Sometimes she comes into bed with both of us.

Nothing weird about a parenting being concerned, affectionate and nurturing to a child.

I WOULDN'T DO IT WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S KID. Especially an adolescent. There comes a time when it's just inappropriate. Quinton and Lily don't fall into that category yet.

Good for you Rob for not being afraid to show your son affection. That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Posted by: Dawn on November 21, 2003 07:37 PM

"I" don't know what happened with Jacko. But it is my belief the world has already convicted him. Even if found innocent, he's done for.

Posted by: Wichi Dude on November 21, 2003 10:26 PM

Damn. While I personally feel that MJ has so many personal problems that he probably shouldn't be allowed to take care of chimpanzees, let alone children, he is innocent until proven guilty.

My dilemma is that Gloria Allred is doing the grandstanding thing again demanding his children be taken away from him. While this might be prudent, I really dislike Gloria Allred and my reaction is to oppose anything that she supports. I HATE it when that happens!

If those children that he was gathering up were molested, the parents should also be prosecuted. Sounds like pimping out the kids to me.

Posted by: SwampWoman on November 21, 2003 10:28 PM

I totally agree with A-Man and all of the comments.

I grew up in the "Thriller, and BillyJean Generation" so maybe I'm the last American to admit to that.

Who gives a f@#k what other people think? The thought of those songs brings back a lot of good memories!

I am also still a goofy believer in the system and pray for JUSTICE. Call me crazy. I'm reserving judgment until the verdict.

Posted by: SASSY on November 22, 2003 12:33 AM

While my ex and I were separated, my daughter spent weekends with him....she was 9 at the time. He was renting a room in a house of a family friend, and there was a room set up for Anna when she came to stay.

I can't remember how the conversation with Anna went, but it came out that she wasn't sleeping in her bed on those weekends; instead, she was sleeping in the bed with her dad. I immediately called him up and asked him why.

He said, "Well, I don't get to see her enough so this way we can cuddle and usually she falls asleep while we're watching t.v."

I told him in no uncertain terms how inappropriate it was for him to allow her to sleep in his bed...of course, he got pissed off at me, but I said, "Look....you're doing it because it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, and of course Anna enjoys it. But you know what? You don't use kids to make you feel better. Make the most of the time you have with her while she's awake. Play a game instead of watching tv. Whatever you do, get her out of your bed."

What really pissed me off is that he could have seen her during the week, on Wednesdays, but never chose to. And during the weekends when she was with him, he'd work on his truck or play guitar in his room and leave her sitting in front of the tv.

Posted by: Trish on November 22, 2003 04:54 AM

Swampwoman, ditto on the pimping parents!

Posted by: Ms Anna on November 22, 2003 08:50 AM

i've never read your journal before. so, i don't know anything about you. but, i'm assuming you're talking about your own two kids. i think there's a big difference between your own kids climbing in bed with you after a bad dream and inviting 12 year old boys over and having them sleep in bed with you. i'm not saying he's innocent or guilty. i'm just saying it doesn't sound good.

Posted by: mary on November 22, 2003 12:37 PM

Rob, I have four grown kids, they'd end up in the bed with the boss and me once in awhile, scarey storms or bad dreams, that sort of thing. We didn't think it a good idea to encourage it but we didn't reject them, either.
There is one HELL of a difference between allowing something because of the child's needs and doing the same thing because of the adult's desire.
Jackson might not have sexually assaulted that child or those children. I wasn't there. I don't know.
He still used those children to gratify his own desire. Wether it was a sexual desire or not, it is still wrong. Period. There's no excuse.

Posted by: Peter on November 22, 2003 07:55 PM

Too damn bad that celebrity has such a higher status than common folk. Too damn bad allot of people feel sorry for someone because of their upbringing specific to the case of Jackson.
The damn freak is a grown adult male living in the USA. If he is unable to make mature decisions on his own, then how the hell did he amass such a ferking fortune?????? He knows what he is doing, he plans it out and he should be held accountable for his actions!
Drawing analogies from our own experiences are fine, some are sad, some are poingant, but those are not being arrested. Jackson is, and what he did should go on trial. I hope his $$$$ has no effect on the outcome.

Posted by: MARCUS on November 22, 2003 08:49 PM

as said by many... your own children and the children of othes are completely different things.

I think the parents that allowed their children to overnight with this weirdo have no rights to be parents.... that is very very very poor judgement on their part given the mans history.

Posted by: Desiree on November 23, 2003 11:14 PM

Swamp woman I agree with you too.
But the sad thing about MJ is that he would not have had as many problems, if he would have stayed BLACK. With that, his being the way he is, and the way he looks, one would really wonder if there is something going on. But I'm not going to convict him. Firstly, the parents of the kids have a problem. If you think someone has molested a child , or has been accused of such an act, why would you let your child, or children, someone you love, why would you allow them to be around this type of person? WHY?
There are plenty of places that you can take your children. They can have alot of fun.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE? And who are these parents, that allow their children to stay with strangers? Haven't they learned anything? How dare them file charges on someone, when they too are making horrible decisions. PLEASE

Posted by: Rose on January 2, 2004 10:40 PM

Swamp woman I agree with you too.
But the sad thing about MJ is that he would not have had as many problems, if he would have stayed BLACK. With that, his being the way he is, and the way he looks, one would really wonder if there is something going on. But I'm not going to convict him. Firstly, the parents of the kids have a problem. If you think someone has molested a child , or has been accused of such an act, why would you let your child, or children, someone you love, why would you allow them to be around this type of person? WHY?
There are plenty of places that you can take your children. They can have alot of fun.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE? And who are these parents, that allow their children to stay with strangers? Haven't they learned anything? How dare them file charges on someone, when they too are making horrible decisions. PLEASE

Posted by: Rose on January 2, 2004 10:40 PM

Believing in God does not require believing in religion.

Posted by: Lewis Danielle on January 26, 2004 01:00 PM

I agree with your MJ part 2 statement about Michael Jackson. go go!

Posted by: TOM MCGREGOR on February 24, 2004 06:15 PM
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