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May 18, 2003

i told you so

There is science, and then there is politically-motivated "science." Most of the environmental lunacy and second-hand smoke crap comes from the latter category.

Now comes news of a study to be published tomorrow in the prestigious peer-reviewed publication the British Medical Journal which reveals essentially that all the anti-smoking-zealot-backed studies on Environmental Tobacco Smoke (ETS) that showed it was responsible for significant heart disease and lung cancer risks were something less than, um, accurate. In fact were like, you know, full of shit.

The response to the preview of the study by the anti-smoking zealots, institutions and individuals alike, has been predictably hysterical, and charges of misbehavior against the American researchers who did the study (and who accepted funding monies for the research from a tobacco industry-funded entity because they could find no other sources willing to fund the research), and the BMJ, are flying fast and furious. And do take note, please: The researchers are American; their work was done in California with American data; but for publication they had to go to Britain.

Read the study here, unless you have your head inserted so firmly up your ass that you KNOW what you KNOW, no matter what the facts are.

I'll wager that this study won't see a lot of newspaper coverage. Everybody with a wit about them already KNOWS that second-hand smoke kills.

Comments

The only coverage that will be seen is already out there; to wit: This latest "study" is blowing smoke; it can't be true; evil 'tobacco money' paid for it; it can't be true; the authors are evil; it can't be true, but not one word about the fact that it was done to strict statistical guidelines, unlike the dubious and distorted figures the EPA still uses.

GRRRRRRRRRRR !!

Posted by: MommaBear on May 18, 2003 10:42 AM

A-Man, there have been COUNTLESS studies refuting the second-hand smoke nonsense and NONE of them appear to see the light of day.

It's the typical liberal bullshit, if the data (and the truth) don't support the conclusion, either ignore or deny the facts.

The website, http://www.davehitt.com/facts/ has been on a crusade with the truth, but who needs the truth? That won't make people stop smoking or enable the nanny-goats to tell other people what they can do.

Posted by: Mrs. du Toit on May 18, 2003 10:57 AM

It may not kill, but it sure as hell makes me cough and sneeze. (But don't worry. I don't support government enforced bans. That's a matter for the individual business owners to decide.)

Posted by: shell on May 18, 2003 03:37 PM

I have often stated that second-hand smoke is an irritant to some people. But it is NOT DEADLY, never has been and never will be.

That's why the Bloombergs of the world scare the shit out of me. They KNOW what they KNOW, no matter how fucked-up they may be.

Posted by: Acidman on May 18, 2003 06:13 PM

My 112 year old cat (in human years) is still doing fine. She has "smoked" every day of her life , and unless second hand smoke causes arthritis, she has had no ill effects from it.
Case closed.

Posted by: Indigo on May 18, 2003 06:37 PM

I quit smoking five years ago. Damn near six in fact.

I hate the anti-smoking people, I really fucking do.

Posted by: Dean Esmay on May 18, 2003 08:20 PM

I am perfectly willing to accept the fact that second hand smoke may actually be harmless. All I want is the truth. But this study is a joke. The whole report is ostensibly based on statistics, and the first law of statistics is that you don't use a bias.

The study was funded by tobacco companies, who obviously have a vested interest in the outcomes. Someone please tell me how that isn't a bias. Maybe the "anti-smoking zealots'" also use a bias. That doesn't make this study any more credible.

Mrs. du Toit ,
I visited http://www.davehitt.com/facts/ and discovered that Dave Hitt has done a great job of fooling himself. He purports to be on a crusade for the truth, yet the first fact he presents to us is: "This site is designed as an aid for those who wish to fight the growing nanny movement in the US and elsewhere".
So what he means is, he is on a crusade to end the nanny movement, and accordingly he is going to use some truths and supress others. It sounds to me like I can find a big fat hefty stinking bias on his site.

See, when you are on a crusade for the truth you need to be neutral. Like Acidman said, we need science, and not policically-motivated "science".

Posted by: Dan on May 19, 2003 09:34 PM

Hold on folks, let's not fall for the notion that science should dictate the laws we live under. Scientific research, knowledge, and opinion should inform and advise our polity. The citizens and their representatives should decide between the trade-offs, and that can result in rejecting science (the laws of motion dictate that collision at speed is unhealthy) in favor of the benefits of a riskier practice (speed limits are not reduced to 10 mph).

If at some future date the marginal risks from enviromental tobacco smoke are proven to be true, this should not dictate smoking bans on private property, even those open to the public. The trade-off I believe we should make in this regard is between property rights (the government, majority, and snivelling individual stop here) vs. the health risks of tobacco smoke. Anyone who does not care to accept the risks can vacate the premises.

Many of the whitecoats wish to rule us. We should not concede them the power.

Posted by: Brett on May 20, 2003 09:16 AM

I got addicted to cigarettes after smoking them with my ass. I am an expert cigarette ass blower.

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Smokers just don't get it. I find a lot of them to be belligerent and near wanting to kill someone at a moment's notice. Dead brain cells I imagine. Anyway, the only reason why they can't understand how bad it is for nonsmokers (whom for some reason they like to call nannies and nazis) is because they just love everything about that little white stick- from simply holding it, to the way they feel when they take a puff, to the hideous smell of one...Here's the deal: Smoke can be likened to having car exhaust blown in your face when you don't want it to or Heaven forbid stuck in a room with 4 trucks. Smokers need to realize that and SMARTEN UP instead of childish name callings and what not! By the way, I agree that secondhand smoke may not be as harmful as people want you to believe but smokers really need to start to learn respect.

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Smokers just don't get it. I find a lot of them to be belligerent and near wanting to kill someone at a moment's notice. Dead brain cells I imagine. Anyway, the only reason why they can't understand how bad it is for nonsmokers (whom for some reason they like to call nannies and nazis) is because they just love everything about that little white stick- from simply holding it, to the way they feel when they take a puff, to the hideous smell of one...Here's the deal: Smoke can be likened to having car exhaust blown in your face when you don't want it to or Heaven forbid stuck in a room with 4 trucks. Smokers need to realize that and SMARTEN UP instead of childish name callings and what not! By the way, I agree that secondhand smoke may not be as harmful as people want you to believe but smokers really need to start to learn respect.

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Smokers just don't get it. I find a lot of them to be belligerent and near wanting to kill someone at a moment's notice. Dead brain cells I imagine. Anyway, the only reason why they can't understand how bad it is for nonsmokers (whom for some reason they like to call nannies and nazis) is because they just love everything about that little white stick- from simply holding it, to the way they feel when they take a puff, to the hideous smell of one...Here's the deal: Smoke can be likened to having car exhaust blown in your face when you don't want it to or Heaven forbid stuck in a room with 4 trucks. Smokers need to realize that and SMARTEN UP instead of childish name callings and what not! By the way, I agree that secondhand smoke may not be as harmful as people want you to believe but smokers really need to start to learn respect.

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Posted by: MyNameIsNanny on April 18, 2004 02:30 AM
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